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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt
So support people like Nawaz, critique our government and continue to speak out about the injustices in muslim societies whilst helping western Muslims integrate.
That should solve the petro dollar! (sarcasm)
I appreciate the discussion and you indulging me. You make some good points and I mostly agree with you..I just think we arent doing enough as a people because we arent concerned with these peoples lives, well being, freedom, etc as much as we are concerned with their culture or religion and other things we like to nitpick and be astonished by as a pompous, higher more civilized people(at least since we killed the last Indian and hung the last slave). Western criticism of not just Islam but even China, Russia etc comes from this moral high ground that we're deluded if we think we deserve to point our dirty guilty genocide stained fingers at people across the world for eating dogs.
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Your right, I'm not as concerned with their well being as I don't know these people. However, I am concerned with their culture as that's going to have a big effect on how well the ones that move to Canada or other western countries in general are going to be able to integrate. Integration is important if we wish to maintain the kinds of freedoms people in our countries have enjoyed the last 50-100 years.
Ultimately, if you don't think you have at least a moral high ground (allowing for moral pluralism), you are either a moral relativist (which might as well not be morality), or consider yourself immoral. That this moral high ground currently reveals both the immoral actions of our own countries as well as those of others, isn't a reason to stop a well grounded critique of one of them. Rather, it is a reason to convince people, to the extent of our abilities, to work together to prevent them from happening again and to provide the support and platform necessary for people with the ability to do so to help change the countries that in our view are currently suffering from moral failings.
I really don't care if people in China eat dogs. It will be a culture shock should they move here, but there's nothing about this that is incompatible with my liberal principles. But I think it's completely fair to think that the levels of corruption in Canada are better than in China and Russia for example.