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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
I'm trying to understand the core of your message but it's really hard when in just about every post you are calling people that don't agree with you idiots.
Some friendly advice: people may listen to your argument if you make it less argumentative.
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I genuinely think they are idiots. Claiming there are no moderates, there will be a clash of civilizations and one of the largest religions in the world needs to be somehow 'dealt' with. Its not that they dont agree with me because I really haven't expressed any thoughts on the thread title. Im mostly here to criticize and poke fun at people who I have a feeling are probably somewhere in between misinformed idiots and hateful bigots.
Thanks for the advice. I'm not here really to have some deep discussion about anything in the thread title but just to 'intentionally play a role' as one poster put it. I usually ridicule people who hold these kinds of beliefs because they aren't worth engaging in an actual discussion since they are not being honest or direct about what they truly believe deep down but it seeps out.
Come on lads? What should we do about Islam. How do you purpose we deal with it? Maybe we should bomb Saudi Arabia with a few Sam Harris/Maajid Nawaz books? I bet Nawaz would be beheaded in Saudi Arabia for his beliefs, yet the west is allied with that very nation and keeps quiet about everything they do. Maybe that would be a good start. Not turning a blind eye to what is the Mecca of Islam. The same place all of the 9/11 hijackers were from. The place that has been caught numerous times funding terrorists world wide.
None of these stooges want to do that because then they would have to acknowledge there is a difference between Islam and political Islam. A moderate and a fundamentalist. A Sunni and a Shia. Etc etc. These fools would rather zoom right in and talk about it as if everything revolves around the fact that these people read the Quran and that Islam is an inherently intolerant, violent and oppressive religion, just like Christianity has proven to be throughout the centuries.
But if Christians have learned to accept Black people as humans rather than just cursed descendants of Ham who are prophesied in the bible to be slaves and the Popes have washed their hands of the genocides they orchestrated based on their religion then why cant Islam and Muslims do the same thing and move on from a literal interpretation of their texts and mixing the state with religion? First off are the western nations truly 100% secular? Are leaders not elected on their religious suitability and thus their views on the middle east and the Christo-Judean bond between the west and Israel. The western foreign policy in the middle east certainly isnt secular. Not to mention the huge power of the christian and Jewish lobbies. We arent electing Mullahs but we have things like Harper crying when talking about Israel and the need to protect it - and Netanyahu giving an unprecedented and historic speech in the US Senate (!) We have to not only try to help other countries become more secular and liberal but we aren't exactly even-handed when it comes to our policies and interests so lets not pretend we haven't totally ####ed up the middle east. Lets not pretend that has nothing to do with the radicalization of the region and it continuing gravitation towards religious politics.
Could it be that some outside factors are at play in the middle east? How is it that Shia and Sunni people lived in the same homes and intermarried until the US invasion of that country and now they cant be within 100 meters of each-other without violence?
I think its stupid to engage some of the people in here in a serious discussion because they are just flat out stubborn, ignorant and wrong. A terrible combination. Worst of all they look at things in total isolation and love to nit-pick. They use terms like "oil/imperialist bogeyman" refer to the idea that western influence and pressure could be one cause of the rise in radicalization and in turn fundamentalist terrorism when everyone knows the middle east has been a playground for western politicians and troops for centuries. People comparing the middle east to Europe and wondering why it hasnt reached those levels are intellectually dishonest. The middle east should be compared with Africa and some parts of Asia where the borders, religions and rules have been imposed on them for hundreds of years by foreigners.