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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
With the abandonment of modern secularism by Turkey - until recently the great hope that a Muslim nation could be compatible with liberal secular democracy - I don't know how anyone could fail to acknowledge that Islamic societies are experiencing agonizing trauma trying to adapt to the modern world.
And Turkey's backsliding cannot be blamed on the bogeyman of oil or imperialism. The Ottoman's ran much of the Middle East for centuries, and were never colonized. They produced their own secular reformers who looked to the West, and for a while looked as though they were an examplar that the rest of the countries in the region might hope to follow. That's finished. Now Turkey is another country turning its back on the 20th and 21st centuries, trying to wind back the clock, and looking to their faith to guide them in all matters of public policy.
So what is going on?
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Actually the change in Turkey is directly linked to imperialism. Ataturk was offered the world by the Brits and they used his egoism and love for his Turk tribe and turned that into nationalism. The country we call Turkey wouldnt even exist today if it werent for imperialism. You clearly have no idea of the history of Turkey and that it was an founded through an imperial effort to disband the Ottoman empire. Ataturk and his Turk tribe were to the Ottoman empire what the tribe and house of Saud were to Arabia.
Anybody who uses terms like 'imperial/oil bogeyman' to dismiss any talk of foreign influence in the middle east is an idiot to begin with. That imperial bogeyman is the reason you live in North America and the same reason British Palestina was turned into Israel (just ask Nage Waza). The same reason Africa has been recklessly sliced into 54 countries. The same reason a colony of British prisoners took over and brutalized the aboriginals of a small continent. That imperial 'bogeyman' is basically at the heart of the many political issues across the globe, including oil/currency conflicts.
You are not qualified to even comment on Turkish politics. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You are trying to isolate things that just happened without acknowledging the historical foundations and events leading up to. Just like Zionists talking about the whole Palestine issue as if it is simply an issue of rockets being lobbed into their cities. Nothing led up to it. You cant understand why these things are the way they are because you refuse to delve into the causes. The reason you dont want to get into the cause of any of these issues is because it would put an irreparable hole in your silly 'muslims and islam are more dangerous than nuclear war and climate change combined' narrative. Maybe we should talk about US foreign policy and real threats to world peace like NATOs posturing in the Caucasus or the gold/currency war between China and America, maybe even tensions in the east China sea. Instead these bigots posing as freedom fighters want to focus on Islamic extremism like its happening in a vacuum.