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Old 08-20-2016, 05:52 PM   #439
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I think misunderstand my point. It's not that there are no religiously motivated terrorists who truly believe that what they do is the the gods will. Of course there are. That just does not mean that there is something about the general faith of Islam that creates them, in comparison to other mainstream religions and many secular ideologies (such as nationalism, fascism and communism).

It's also not that there's no s*** parts in Islamic texts. It's that it doesn't seem to make a difference in comparison to other religions. According to science. I'm not just making this stuff up.

IMO it's also relevant that pretty much all these new radical Islamist terrorist organizations follow a single relatively small fundamentalist branch of Islam called Wahhabism (or Salafism), which is a relatively recent development within Islam.

Many in the Muslim world are saying that Wahhabism is a genuine problem, and that I tend to agree with. And btw, I do think that the kind of people in the west who know enough about Islam to make that disctinction also tend to be the kind of liberals that are super uncomfortable about the idea of blaming a certain branch of religion.

But then again, I think a larger reason for why there is no major discussion on Wahhabism in the west is that most people don't know enough or don't care to make that distinction.



That claim is backed by a paper on the commonly shared views of the scientific community in this topic that I linked to this thread. It's not my opinion, I was simply pointing out a fact.

You can of course claim that the research must be wrong. I agree that this is a possibility.



It was a decade-by-decade presentation, so I fail to see how what you say is possible.



According to the US governments own analysis...

(as reported here for example)





This is true. However, that strengthens my point.

You can argue that the increase of Muslims is a reason why terrorism has increased in Europe, and that it proves that there is something wrong with Islam.

However, that same explanation can not possibly be true for the Muslim world. They've all been Muslims for hundreds of years. There must be something else going on there.

(Plus let's remember there has been no shortage of terrorism in the Middle East at least since the Zionists started to fight for control of Palestine in the 1920's.)
I would really like to see these studies that claim there is no difference between religions when it comes to producing terrorists.

Wahhabism isn't new at all, so I'm not sure where you got that from. The widespread existence of it may be relatively new. There's also plenty of discussion on Wahhabism, including in the past on this very board. It's also not the only major inspiration. It wasn't for Al Qaeda, that was Qutb and he wasn't Wahhabist. His ideology was just anti-western way of life.

You concede that there are #### parts in Islamic texts. Do you agree or disagree that these parts should be totally open to public criticism?

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That claim is backed by a paper on the commonly shared views of the scientific community in this topic that I linked to this thread. It's not my opinion, I was simply pointing out a fact.

You can of course claim that the research must be wrong. I agree that this is a possibility.
Can you repoint me to this? I must have missed it wading through all the crap vitriol that other poster was spewing.
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