[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^No one is "defending or tolerating" them. Some are suggesting that their behaviour is not truly religiously motivated, or that this is ancillary to the true reasons for what they do.

I don't think we are, no. You obfuscate what seems perfectly obvious to me. If you hand me what clearly appears to me to be a cat, and tell me, "that's not a cat", there's nowhere for the conversation to go, really.

Wait, what? He is a representative of the issue. I never said everyone is exactly like him. In fact, I said "varying degrees".

That's a fair reply. To be clear, are you saying then that your comment to the effect that there's no problem because I'm here and can continue to speak, and people can read my words and judge for themselves, can't be extended beyond this specific context, and in others wouldn't hold true?

Put downs or insults aren't "smears". The way you use language makes me wonder if you actually understand what my complaint is. It's not just being mean or snarky. It's dishonesty. A person can be downright nasty to other people without misrepresenting them. They're separate issues.

The point is to understand and amend those positions, not to defeat them. Convergence is the point, basically. Like I say, in the context of arguing whether a cat is a cat, there's not much discussion to be had.


The past year has been the worst of it on this continent, actually, but I'm willing to be optimistic that it's on the decline. But that's largely because people did treat it like a big enough deal to get upset about it and say, "no, this is dumb".

And you'll have people like Crumpy-Gunt, or rather less obvious or inflammatory versions of him, calling those people misogynist racist bigots in an attempt to shut them up. Some will ignore them or tell them to go #### themselves. Others will see this, determine that it's not worth dealing with that hassle and not wanting to have to explain to people that they're not racist, and will prefer to not say anything and remain quiet.

That's the chilling effect, to be clear. I'm explaining what we're talking about here, not trying to convince you of its existence as I don't think you're inclined to believe things that don't align with your world view, as you've just established by once again obfuscating the link between Islamic doctrine and jihadism and martyrdom as practiced by some Muslims.

EDIT: Ah, hell. I've dragged myself right into a discussion that's going exactly as badly as I expected. I'm done. PM me if you actually want to discuss this stuff and think there's a point to it, I kind of don't think anyone really does.

On top of being bigot you are a whiny cry baby. Taking aggressive ad-hominem jabs at people who dont agree with you and getting all emotional when people do the same to you. Refusing to indulge people without coming across as a self-absorbed know it all who puts effort into making his posts sound like those of a 19th century British scholar. You love to stereotype Muslims and lump all of Islam into the Islamist/extremist mold - completely wiping out secularists and moderates (the vast majority of Muslims) - however you cant take it when people stereotype you as a right wing European nationalist who probably owns some Nazi regalia.

"OMG this is so unfair, I refuse to seperate Islam from Islamism - and other posters are refusing to separate my right wing beliefs from neo-Nazism, what an injustice"

You cant go around playing the man instead of the ball and then expect nobody to come in and tackle you. If you want people to take you idiots seriously then stop painting nearly 2 billion people with the same brush and maybe people will have more time for you. The fact that this thread has in its title 'deal with Islam' and not 'deal with Islamism / Religious fundamentalism / political Islam.' is really telling. I truly dont believe you fools even want a discussion. You just want to come across as some enlightened brave saviors being crucified by the ignorant masses for your stupid beliefs.