[Thor]

Originally Posted by Itse

Thank you for saying that because it cuts away a lot of the pretense.

However, the original intent of the thread is to blame liberals for "dealing with Islam".

For discussing why so many on the left "Regressives" are so unwilling or afraid to criticize or condemn Islam, Islamism, political Islam or whatever you want to define that as.

This presupposes that the problem exists, and that somehow liberals should "deal" with it. What does that even mean?

You live in Finland, surely you know whats going on in Sweden. Just recently Norway introduced classes for Muslim refugees to discuss the importance of equality for women, LGBT, and other values that they did not have in their own countries.

What's there to debate? It's a bonkers claim, and no one has even tried to prove that it makes sense, let alone that it matters enough to talk about.

Sad you see it as a bonkers claim, but at any point if I switched out comments against Islamic ideals, beliefs with the word Christian, I would receive very little opposition.

Islam is treated with kid gloves by the western liberals, where we on universities Feminist groups teaming up with a Muslim group to protest an Atheist from speaking at their university. The new generation of "liberals" with their safe spaces, attempts to shut down speech they don't like, the immediate attacks of bigot, racist, if you don't fully agree. The craziness of the feminist movement, SJWs..

But I'm most interested in why so many of my fellow Liberals are so afraid of discussing Islam, talking about the obvious clash of civilizations and beliefs that don't work. The UK, Sweden are such great case studies for us, with the problems of Islamic schools, The sharia family courts, the segregation, the rape problems in Sweden.