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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
I'm not moving the goal posts at all. The Jays started the season with significant holes that easily could have been filled with free agency. The biggest of which was the starting pitching. You couldn't have watched many of the pre-season Jays broadcast if you for some reason don't think Stroman was on an innings limit. It was talked about repeatedly. In fact the focus wasn't on Sanchez, because at that point it was 50/50 if he'd even be in the rotation, it was on Stroman because they were counting on a 24 year old with less than 20 major league starts to be the ace of their pitching staff on a team with a roster built to win the World Series today which is completely and utterly ridiculous.
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What is more relevant - what was being talked about in the pre-season or what is being talked about and done now? Clearly they aren't worried about Stroman being on a innings limited.
I don't think they were counting on Stroman alone - they had put together a pretty solid rotation overall. The hope was Stroman would maintain or take another step - but they clearly weren't "counting" on him along as he didn't - and they are still in first.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
"Move the goal posts" has now become your go to when you don't have a response to what it is i'm asking you. What contending team have you ever seen entering the season do what the Blue Jays did? If it's such a good approach, how come no one else is doing it? We all know the reason why it was done by the Jays, whether you refuse to admit it or not.
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Do what? Enter a season with a not-perfect team and holes? How about virtually every time in the majors.
I'll stop talking about moving the goal posts when you stop moving them.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
I'm not disputing that the results have been great, i'm saying no one in their right mind could have predicted them. There's no way that Shapiro and Atkins knew along that Happ would have the best record in the major leagues, and Sanchez would advance X20 in his development. They rolled the dice (the only option they had given ownership) and won big time.
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Again, you want to blame them for everything that hasn't gone right while at the same time chalking everything up that has - to luck. Can't have it both ways man.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
The original poster asked why people can be so negative across the board on a team in first place, well there's a bunch of people that have been following this team lose for decades for the 9 out of 10 other times the Jays dice rolling to save money have not worked. When we are finally in a position to win it all, the stands are packed, and the team's merchandise is rolling they expect all the stops to be made to win, because we are not the Red Sox or Yankees, this isn't an opportunity that we get frequently.
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Yeah a lot of people have followed the team for decades - including me. Few of them have your level of bitterness and hate.
And stop pretending you are somehow a better. That junk gets old fast.