[Lanny_MacDonald]

I don't know why anyone *****foots around this CalgaryBornAgain guy? He is everything that he reportedly hates. He's judgmental, he makes garbage up, he massages the scriptures to fit his position, and he openly hates those that do not believe what he believes. He's everything that a good Evangenlical Christian is all about! All you have to do is read the garbage he posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Al Gore is into New Age and Jimmy Carter is hardly a fundamentalist.

As pointed out, Gore is a practicing Baptist, as is Carter. No one claimed they were fundamentalists. That is a good thing. Fundamentalists are a bunch of wackos who would have us living in the dark and reading only the bible. Hmmmm, sounds very much like those Islamists that are supposed to be a threat to our way of life!

Maybe, but I do like his nominations for federal judges and his position on other issues like abortion and same sex marriage.

Of course you like them, they openly support your stance and worry nothing for the law of the people. What I find interesting is that both men have become Conservatives of opportunity, much like Bush became a Christian of opportunity. I don't like people who make political or religious choices (values) based on how they can improve their lot in life.

A church shouldn't just pick and choose what they follow.

Yet the Christian faiths do just that. That's what makes each of the Christian church's different, bonehead, is that the leadership pick and chose exactly what parts of the bible were worth of following.

But the fact remains God authored that scripture and it does reveal His opinion on a variety of subjects.

That is incorrect. Man authored the scriptures. The scriptures were authored by dozens of individuals and translated from multiple languages. They are the interpretation of events and parables by man. God had nothing to do with it. There is more than enough proof of that from theologians from multiple religions.

For the record; If I had the power I wouldn't outlaw sodomy. I see no reason to pick on that particular sin. I'm also in favour of allowing sodomites to enter into legal contracts akin to marriage if they seek such protection.

Yeah, I figured you liked it in the kiester.

The reason why I don't agree with society allowing them to marry is because that would afford them the same benefits that government has given the heterosexual marriage. Next the polygamists will ask for the same perks and eventually the special provisions afforded the heterosexual marriage will no long give them an advantage. The whole reason society gave tax breaks and surviver pensions and the such to married couples is because they produce the next generation and pass along the traditions and morality of that said society.

Dude, stick to murdering the scriptures with you goofy interpretations because your interpretations of what is legal and righteous in that regard are weak. Human Rights are not about the "same perks and eventually the special provisions" afforded to anyone. They are a base set of rules that apply to EVERYONE regardless of their sex, race, religious or sexual orientation. Societal morality is also not something that one particular demographic gets to choose, it is a culminations of all points of view and deemed what is the median values acceptable to the majority. Those morals are always shifting to meet the needs of the society and the times in which we live. Morals are not an antique sideboard that can be passed down from generation to generation. Morals change as each generation adapts to the ever changing world. If part of that change in morals is to allow homsexuals and polygamists to have the same rights as the rest of us, oh well, thems the breaks. IMO that's a good thing as it shows that we are FINALLY all becoming the same and not classified by some garbage that we choose to listen to/ignore on Sundays.

You just got through accusing Fundamentalist of picking and choosing and then you recommend I pick and choose. Can you see the contradiction. Do you suppose that the first century Christians went about with this core message and yet got hunted down, attacked, and killed in the first centuries. Read Acts 7 and tell me what the first Christian martyr was killed for. Was he guilty of not choosing the right core beliefs?

This always kills me. You religious nutbars love to bring out all of these historical instances that support your position, but if you are really that big into this **** why are you wearing manufactured clothing, why are you living in industrial heated/cooled homes, why do you drive around in cars, why do you use the internet and all the modern conviences we have available to us? If you're so hung up on what happened in 7 AD why aren't you wearing a sheet and riding an ass to work (this has nothing to do with sodomy, no matter how much you wish it was)? You say you don't pick and choose, but your actions speak much louder than your words.

Actually it was a sin for a man to lay with another man as one would lay with a women in the old testament. The New Testament even goes as far as suggesting that it is a sin for a man to act effeminate. Read Rom 1:26-32 and tell me God is ok with same sex unions of any kind.

God created man in his own image. It says so in the bible. So if God did that, I think that proves that homosexuals are also a creation of God. If God loves all of his children, then he loves homosexuals too. If homosexuality is a sin, then that's okay too, because God is all forgiving. Frankly, all of your bluster about sin and hate and crap is all a pile of garbage. According to Evangelical Christians, you can sin all you want, your whole life if you so desire, but if you accept Jesus into your heart before you die you WILL go to heaven. I guess that explains why all them death row fellas convert before they are barbequed! CalgaryBornAgain, embrace your version of "heaven", where all the rapists, murders and true sodomites are welcome. Those Christians of opportunity will be seated at the same table as you for eternity. Enjoy!