[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Interesting post. In fact, Al Gore is likely a far more sincere Christian than Bush. Jimmy Carter has them both beat.

Al Gore is into New Age and Jimmy Carter is hardly a fundamentalist.

Bush just prays a little louder than most. Christ had some interesting things to say about people who pray out loud, too.

Maybe, but I do like his nominations for federal judges and his position on other issues like abortion and same sex marriage.

Calgaryborn: there are plenty of things in the Old Testament. There are also plenty of things in Mosaic law. Why does a church, an imperfect human organization, get to pick and choose those parts that it would prefer to use, because they're in keeping with their current ideology? That seems hypocritical to me.

A church shouldn't just pick and choose what they follow. We are not under the Mosaic law because the Bible says we are not. But the fact remains God authored that scripture and it does reveal His opinion on a variety of subjects. For the record; If I had the power I wouldn't outlaw sodomy. I see no reason to pick on that particular sin. I'm also in favour of allowing sodomites to enter into legal contracts akin to marriage if they seek such protection. The reason why I don't agree with society allowing them to marry is because that would afford them the same benefits that government has given the heterosexual marriage. Next the polygamists will ask for the same perks and eventually the special provisions afforded the heterosexual marriage will no long give them an advantage. The whole reason society gave tax breaks and surviver pensions and the such to married couples is because they produce the next generation and pass along the traditions and morality of that said society.

My understanding is that Christianity is about love, not hatred, in any case. It would be more consistent to listen to the core lessons of the Bible, and use them to inform your life. If you believe that the core lesson of the Bible is "gay people are going to hell," then you need to read it again. More carefully. The core lessons are love, forgiveness and redemption, not hatred and punishment.

You just got through accusing Fundamentalist of picking and choosing and then you recommend I pick and choose. Can you see the contradiction. Do you suppose that the first century Christians went about with this core message and yet got hunted down, attacked, and killed in the first centuries. Read Acts 7 and tell me what the first Christian martyr was killed for. Was he guilty of not choosing the right core beliefs?

Saying "I hate sodomy" and not "I hate sodomites" is just silly semantics anyway. Let me ask you this: what if two men like to live together and engage in acts other than sodomy? What if they just like to smooch? Or if they just cuddle and share affection and romantic love? Is God OK with that?

My guess is you'll say no--which means it's not the act that's the problem, it's the actors. And those actors are generally not hurting anybody.

Actually it was a sin for a man to lay with another man as one would lay with a women in the old testament. The New Testament even goes as far as suggesting that it is a sin for a man to act effeminate. Read Rom 1:26-32 and tell me God is ok with same sex unions of any kind.