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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
There is not one shred of evidence that suggests an innings limit is good or bad for a young pitcher. For every study that suggests it's good there is another one suggesting a bad thing. Some are even saying the reason so many pitchers are now having problems are because they were subject to innings limits and aren't building the proper arm strength as they develop. .
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I'm not an expert on it - but I trust that those in the organization know more than me. However, if you are saying that there are studies that support it, then that would indeed mean there is some 'shred of evidence'
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
I think you read what you want to read. As I've said numerous times, I believe the Jays are doing the right thing by sitting him down for the reason that should he get hurt down the road it's going to be a PR nightmare for them and the players association will be breathing down their throats, and it could effect some drafted pitchers signing with them. I don't have a problem with what the Jays are doing, I have a problem with the league wide issue of innings limits. It's unproven science based on what if scenarios.
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What I find mind boggling is that you agree with them limiting his innings but not moving to the pen. Did the Nats not wait until too late in the season for that even to be an option.
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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle
If you actually think that sitting down a Cy Young candidate that is showing no signs of slowing down and doesn't haven't anything wrong with him isn't going to rub the others guys who have worked their entire career to but themselves in a position to win a World Series the wrong way, I think Syour fooling yourself. When you put someone's goals ahead of the team's it's always going to create issues. It's very much an army mentality. That's why I think it's best to just shut him down when the time comes like the Nats did with Strausburg.
Martin actually implies in that interview that this is a media driven Thing and if wasn't what was being discussed earlier in the year it wouldn't even be an issue. He's right to. Where's the innings limit talk on Stroman? They both were supposed to be subject to the same limit.
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It isn't putting an individual's goals ahead of the team - it is making the right decision for the player and organization long-term. He is probably the most important asset in the entire organization.
And now you are saying this was media manufactured? What a joke. From what I remember and read, the plan was always for Stroman to pitch about 200 innings this year.