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Originally Posted by wittynickname
When pro-life types like Mike Pence start worrying about gun control, I'll believe they're worried about moral implications. When pro-life types start supporting affordable/free pre-/post-natal care for women, I'll believe they really care about babies and their wellbeing. When pro-life types start rallying behind the cause of giving men and women maternity/paternity leave I'll believe they're really worried about life and the health of children in this country.
People can pro-life to me all they want, but until they start worrying about the fetus after it's actually born and is actually a living human being, I'll believe it's a moral thing.
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That's all well and good, but it's a non-sequitur. The hypocrisy of many pro-life people when it comes to other topics has nothing to do with the topic in question.
Do you just not believe that they believe what they say they do? That they may say they think that it's tantamount to baby killing, but are in fact lying to conceal a secret agenda of oppressing women?
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This is all semantics, because Pence has proven repeatedly that while he may not hate women, he sure doesn't want them having bodily autonomy.
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But as I've said before, if this is "just semantics", it's
really important semantics. You called him a misogynist. If you're a misogynist, it means you hate women. Now you're saying maybe he doesn't truly hate women, but it doesn't matter.
Either it matters if people are really misogynists, or it doesn't. If it does, then it matters that you use the word properly to apply to people who really do hate women.
I think it matters, and that this sort of thing really desperately needs to stop. The reasons Mike Pence shouldn't be making policy in the USA are real, significant reasons we have to talk about honestly and accurately, not hysterical ones where he's some sort of cartoon villain.
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We're never, ever going to see eye-to-eye on this, and this is a topic entirely too close to home for me, because unlike Mike Pence, I'm actually capable of becoming pregnant
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Your uterus has nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to talk about ethical topics that might affect you rationally. Hell, if anything would be misogynist, it would be to suggest that biological differences between men and women lead women to be unable to objectively and dispassionately consider the issue because they're too blinded by how it might affect them personally.
... Ugh. I hate this stuff. The other side might be wrong, but they're not the SS. I think it's hugely important, but I just hate that it seems to need to be pointed out. Thank God for Jonathan Haidt. I'm fine if you're done.