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Old 07-25-2016, 12:09 PM   #7968
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I'm saying those things about Mike Pence, explaining my claim that he's misogynistic. I'm not claiming that CHL is--but I cannot take attacks on reproductive rights to that magnitude as anything but misogyny. A politician who has gone that far to infringe on the rights of women to make their own choices about their own reproductive rights is clearly convinced that women are incapable of those decisions.
This is really unfortunate. Do you really not get that the majority of pro-life people think that abortion is tantamount to murdering a baby? That is, they make no moral distinction between a fetus before it has left the mother's womb and afterwards. They therefore view your right to control your body as the same as the right to kill a child after it's been born.

That's not an easy moral question to answer; that is, why we care about the rights of a baby the moment it has left the womb, but not before, or not before the third trimester. The question of where to draw the line as to when it's no longer acceptable to terminate, and why the line goes there, and not a day earlier, is a very tricky topic for anyone. Including people with doctorates in bioethics.

That certainly has implications as to your liberty, your reproductive rights, as you've explained well. Because I'm persuaded by that argument (and other arguments having to do with the ethical value of human suffering) I'm also pro-choice. But surely you can at least understand the opposing viewpoint, and see how, without hating women, someone would think that your liberty and your reproductive rights need to take a backseat to what they honestly believe is a living creature with rights of its own and no way to defend itself?

Everyone desperately needs to stop being so manichean in their approach to their opponents on political issues. In my view, pro-life people who want to restrict abortion are wrong, sometimes for better or worse reasons. But by and large they are not monsters, they are not evil, and they are not misogynists because they don't agree with your moral stance. This kind of crap is how Trump gets anyone with half a brain to vote for him, and surprisingly, there actually are a handful of such people.
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