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Originally Posted by transplant99
OK...im dead set against the whole Trump thing but this is patently untrue.
The drain on states with heavy illegals is very much a problem and something even lots of staunch democrats oppose. The problem may be the procedure of doing it legally but that does not condone doing it illegally.
No question the whole "wall" thing is absurd and over the top, but dont kid yourself, there are many many state level problems with illegals using all kinds of social programs.
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I'm sorry sir, but You are misinformed. You're buying into a narrative that has been dreamed up by politicians looking for a scapegoat, and supported by an unquestioning media. You can talk to law enforcement and people who work in social services and they will all tell you the same thing; illegals do not rely on government social programs
because they are illegal! And those that have established some roots and semblance of life here work that much harder to remain on the down low and not expose themselves. Illegals have developed their own support networks in communities and rely on those.
The reality in America is that these people that come to this country to work illegally do so with a very specific goal in mind. Make money to send home. Most of these people do menial labor work that Americans think is beneath them. And they do so with great fear of being discovered and deported. These people live in communities where they know they have a lesser chance of being discovered. They blend into the woodwork and they rely on the local community for services that we take for granted. If they get injured or sick they pay through the nose to visit a local doctor or nurse in their community. They will not go to the hospital except in cases of dire emergency, because if they do, they will be discovered as being illegal and be deported. Law enforcement knows this. Social services knows this. Most importantly, the local communities know this and they leverage it for their own gain as well. They protect the illegals because they provide money to the local community that normally isn't there.
On to the BS that they don't contribute to the economy, and are a drain on our economy, that is another false narrative. Many of these illegals are working under false documents that help them get through the e-verify program. They receive pay checks with the required deductions taken out of them. Those pay roll taxes go into the system. But those individuals who have paid into the system will never receive benefit of that entitlement because they would expose themselves as illegal in the application for benefits. They pay into the system, but it never comes out. The real funny part is, many of these illegals are working under the same name and SSN, meaning all of those payments are going into that one particular account. When that account is discovered as being fraudulent it is frozen, preventing any access to it by anyone. That money ends up falling through the cracks and used by the government for purposes other than what the money was originally intended (social services).
There are some illegals that will come up here and try to take advantage of the system. But there are plenty of people here that do the same. These are all a very small minority of the people we are talking about. The vast majority of illegals come here, work hard in jobs that Americans are too proud to do, and do everything in their power to follow the laws of the country. It is their meal ticket, and the meal ticket of their family back in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, etc. They are not going to risk discovery. And if they establish a home here and end up having those nefarious anchor babies, they work that much harder to make sure they don't expose their family to the threat of deportation.
I know, it's much easier to listen to habitual liar like Donald Trump and his ilk, who spin lies to keep you scared and living in fear, than actually listen to those who work in the communities where these people live and know the situation first hand. This is probably very hard for you to believe, and I understand that because of the long exposure to the media narrative the average person has suffered, but let me remind you this wouldn't be the first time that politicians or the media were caught lying to forward an issue or agenda.