[CaptainCrunch]

To add to that, I think it takes a lot more balls to be a conscientous objector than it does to get into the National Guard and then have daddy pull strings to keep you out of action. Clinton got run over for his military record, maybe Bush should as well?

No it takes balls to actual go over your objections, do your part and make a change based on your experiences. I guess I have problems with a conscientous objector in this day and age when the military is a volunteer army. However even in the Vietnam era if you were in the Military you could apply for Conscientous objector status and either receive a dishonerable discharge, or a transfer to another profession within the Military. I have a lot of trouble with the draft dodgers that fled up to Canada. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

On the Clinton one he attempted to dodge the draft by joining a ROTC program, and waited until the draft became a lottery. There aren't any real differences between what Clinton did and what Bush did. I have very little respect for either man. And like I said before it comes across as a little hypocritical that the Democrats go after Bush's record when one of thier modern day Icon's did the same thing.

I have no trouble with Kerry's military record and what he did to earn it. At least he had the balls to go over to Vietnam and do his part and witness things first hand before he became an anti-war protestor.

I agree with what Cow was saying about religion and military service. Its really interesting how those things play out down here. In Canada, Bush would be done for pushing his religious beliefs out front AND for having his father keep his butt out of the war. Down here Bush gets supported for each. Its really strange IMO.

I don't care much about a politician's religious affiliations or feelings. It has no impact on my voting decision. However I think that the only people that should be allowed to be named to the Minister and Deputy Minister of defense should have a military service record. People like Bill Graham should be stuck in a ministry of inefectual foreign policy position.