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Old 07-11-2016, 07:43 AM   #368
CliffFletcher
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I get the point CliffFletcher is getting at - that while others are pointing to black people not being given a fair shake by law enforcement, homicide somehow proves this isn't the case because everyone who commits murder is charged if caught, so there the stats can't be skewed.

I just found the point to be disengenous at best, in his continual quest to downplay any perceived struggles or inequality towards African Americans. I guess if we all just said "Yes, CliffFletcher black people just need to be better people and we'll stop looking to blame anyone but them for their struggles" then maybe we'd reach an agreement?

I'm saying it's both. People who blame blacks only need to recognize there are systemic biases at work. People who blame only the systemic biases need to recognizes black American culture has some serious problems that outsiders can't fix, and that most victims of black crime are other blacks. Addressing these issues in binary terms is just a way to make it easy to identify who to cast as the villains, to create an emotionally satisfying narrative. If people are really interested in solving these problems they need to recognize that they're complicated, and the solutions won't hew to political or ideological narratives.
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