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Originally Posted by driveway
These are two completely different ideas and your grouping of them together under the banner of 'evil tribalism' is evidence of your lack of study or deep-thinking on the topic.
The fundamental thing you seem to be missing about what you deride as 'identity politics' is that those who participate in these movements are working to overcome the tribalism you so despise. The LGBT movement, Black Lives Matter, Feminism, are all coming from the premise that either gays, or blacks, or women have been excluded and deserve to be included.
When people say "Black Lives Matter" there is an unspoken too at the end of the statement. When the Pride parade marches, the implication is that LGBT people can be proud too. When Feminists point out rape culture and inequities they're saying women matter too.
If you truly believed that tribalism was the dangerous force you claim it to be, and you understood these movements at anything more than a pop-culture level, you would be a feminist, and a supporter of BLM, and march in the Pride parade.
You're fond of suggesting reading material, go read Between the World and Me, A Room of One's Own, and The Velvet Rage and see if anything changes.
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You've never spent much time in a church, have you? It's used precisely in the way you say it's not there. It may be that the intellectuals that invented the term use it differently, but in common usage, it's very much a tool that's contributes to tribalism rather than detracting from it.
Also, saying that people would be a feminist, a supporter of BLM, and a march in the Pride parade if they were just more informed is both dismissive and indicative of your own ignorance of different perspectives on the topic beyond the very narrow perspective you allow yourself to hold.
Are you not even aware enough of human psychology to know that your response is a hallmark of dogmatism and intellectual arrogance, the very thing that tribalism thrives on?
When dogma is challenged, have you not noticed that people that are either dogmatic or intellectually dishonest / intellectually arrogant tend to do the following: 1. The person who disagrees with me is just stupid. 2. When it's clear that the person is not stupid, then they are just uninformed. 3. When it becomes clear they are informed, then they are written off as evil or bad people.
Of course, often people don't like to write people off as bad, so instead they refer people to an endless list of books that contain arguments that are supposedly better than the ones presented in the discussion.
Forgive me for being so blunt. It's just not often I see such obvious tribalism used to claim that something is not tribalistic.