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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
Is it possible that maybe it's just the majority of unions you've worked in? Unless you've worked the majority of unions out there. Labelling the majority of union based on such a small sample size doesn't seem like either a fair or well informed statement
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its possible, just as likely that you may have worked for a good one or two and are labeling them all as good?
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
You don't know all the facts yet feel he should have been terminated? Geez what if God forbid she was lying? I hope she wasn't and would hope he be held accountable if he was at fault but people still need due process. Had he not been given that he could sue, with or without a union, for a number of things.
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I don't know all the facts as in the process of firing someone is what I meant. I know all the facts of what happened.
Any non-union job that guy would be gone, union job he stays.
non-union job you are late a bunch and fired. union job you need to have 3 verbal complaints then get filed and get 3 written complaints, then you get suspended, then maybe you get fired assuming this all happens within a certain time frame or the clock resets. these are the hoops I'm talking about in a union that I don't have full details on.
due process to make sure an employee isn't wrongfully dismissed? that is handled by a whole department of HR professionals (ones who went to school to fully understand the intricacies of hiring and firing people) in normal companies, they make sure someone isn't let go for illegal reasons and protect the employee and company from lawsuit.
Anyways I'm done with this, get asked for examples of why I think unions are bad then either its just an anecdote and doesn't matter or I don't know 100% of every tiny detail in the process of running a company so I'm wrong. As someone else said its a very toxic argument and neither side will be swayed.