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Originally Posted by Swarly
well its the internet so I'm not going into detail and I don't personally know them all. But fact remains that guy without a union would be fired justly as he should have been, with a union there are extra hoops to jump and he walked away with a 3 day suspension or something.
Sounds like you may be in one of the good unions then. Our shop stewards didnt volunteer their time, they did most of that stuff during the day on site. most unions are scum, you're in one of the few but the majority ruin it for everyone.
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You don't know all the facts yet you think he should have been fired? Cmon, man. Jesus.
Further, if he got a 3 day suspension, how did the union protect him? If the company wasn't willing to fire him to begin with, the union played no roll in protecting his job. If you mean the extra hoops to jump through are things like due process, just cause, investigation, etc, those are GREAT hoops every workplace needs.
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Originally Posted by V
The union will never punish the best, but the framework will. Anyone that produces too many widgets is bound to make his brothers look bad, and that gets shut down pretty quickly by said brothers. You work to the lowest common denominator or you're ostracized. I've worked with 5 different unions in Alberta. Based on what I've heard, Alberta can't touch BC when it comes to militant poorly functioning unions.
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I've literally never seen this. I have been a witness to the union telling people not to use their free time, unpaid, to come in and do work for free to catch up with the norm or get ahead. This is a common sense suggestion. Unless you think people should work for free on their time off to meet metrics?
the above 2 posts really demonstrate a total lack of understanding how unions actually work. People watching Hoffa or other stupid crime movies and think unions are this huge bloated ring of fat Italians who are invincible on the floor from management (LOL) and get sweet union gigs and kick backs.
99.99% of Union activists are people who punch the clock 40 hours a week, go to union meetings, and spend their own time supporting their members and fellow workers and fight for their rights on the workplace floor. Be it by doing grievances, arbitrations, or driving a member to rehab. Or maybe its passing the collection hat around for someone whos fiance just died. or maybe its just being someone to talk to when the company is threatening to terminate them for having a scuffle with their inept manager.