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Originally Posted by rubecube
Okay but do we determine what's fair without any historical or social context?
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Who said anything about abandoning historical or social context. Liberals certainly don't have to.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
That's the problem I have with the liberal approach. It claims objectivity but then abandons objective information when the info doesn't conform to its ideals.
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I don't think liberalism actually claims objectivity, just that what's objectively true has the best chance of winning out in the long term when freedom of speech, association, and assembly are maintained.
That being said, I do think that liberals are less likely to abandon objective information when the info doesn't conform to ideals than most modern progressives and conservatives. This is primarily because one of the liberal ideals is to avoid doing that, something that progressivism (especially the part that hold to a form of relativism) and conservatism don't hold to as strongly.
I do see a lot of progressives get upset when liberals don't accept statistics that are poorly substantiated though. The extremely poorly substantiated 1 in 4 women get raped in college stat for example.