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Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!
Let me tell you once again I don't excuse anyone's actions who would drink and drive. If I choose to not swear and talk the way you are confuses you then so be it.
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Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!
I think what bothered me was some posters calling others idiots when the fact is that there are truly people out there that have a disease that they can't control.
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This is an excuse. It bothers you that posters call drunk drivers "idiots"? Drunk drivers are selfish idiots, to say the least.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...6&postcount=59
This whole post was an excuse on how they can't take actions to prevent themselves from drinking and driving. Which is really actually insulting to people who are fighting addictions. You've said multiple times they don't have control. They do, at least when it comes to driving.
You've excused their behaviour by equating alcoholism and the compulsion to drink with drunk driving. They are not the same.
Alcoholics fighting with their disease may not be able to stop themselves from grabbing a drink. But after that first drink, or that second drink, or that third drink, they have ample opportunity to call a cab, call a friend, look up bus routes, give their keys to their bartender, or lock their keys in their car. By choosing not to do so, they are choosing to drive drunk. It's a free choice that they, like everyone else, have. It's not part of the disease. That's not a part of alcoholism. They do not have a compulsion to drink and drive. It's an absurd fallacy. They chose not to do so because they are dicks who are okay with putting other people's lives at risk based on "convenience" and selfishness, again not because of the disease.
I can, and do, have all the sympathy in the world for people fighting addictions. But that is not the same as driving drunk, they are no where near the same. I can and will condemn anyone who gets behind the wheel drunk, and anyone who tries to excuse that action.
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Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!
I hope you get what I mean. It had nothing to do with saying it's okay. But these people don't care about anything but there disease.
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This is not true at all. As someone also with first hand experience, like I'm sure many many of us do, that's just simply insulting. It really is. You can still be an alcoholic and care about loved ones. You can be an alcoholic and take actions not to endanger the public.
Similar you don't have to be an alcoholic to drive drunk. You can just be a selfish #######.