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Originally Posted by monkeyman
My view is that science does not exclude the existence of a god. When you consider everything science can tell us as well as can't tell us about the universe it actually makes me wonder how anyone can so quickly dismiss the possibility with such certainty.
let me see, so science tells us everything in the universe, everything we will ever see, touch, smell... was all created from a point smaller than the smallest part of an atom? a point so small, so dense, so hot, so heavy that it defies our comprehension? this point contained all the energy, all the matter, all the heat and all the radiation that makes up our universe? That this point, suddenly and without explanation, expanded at a rate greater than the speed of light, spreading matter and radiation across our universe. A universe that is expanding at ever increasing rates, until such a time that it will pull all matter so far that everything will cease to exist. Oh, and we have no idea what preceded this point, what created it and what caused it to expand.
Then when you consider everything that had to go right for us to exist on this planet. Sitting in the goldielock zone of the solar system; having a molten iron core that provides us our magnetic field; the right amount of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen to form an atmosphere; a moon large enough to stabilize our poles; a sun that's not too small and not too large, making it stable enough to burn for billions of years. Then there's the serious of events which made it possible for us to evolve and thrive including previous extinction events, the carboniferous period which provided an excessive amount of co2, allowing plants and fungi to flourish, which lead to a huge increase of oxygen levels... i'm sure there's more, I just can't think of them right now.
All i'm saying is it's absolutely incredible to me that we're here and it could all be luck i guess, but I'm certainly not comfortable with all of this to blindly dismiss the idea of a creator.
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The science on the big bang has always admitted that they have little to no understanding of the initial conditions. The period after that is much better understood. So there is no claim to know what happened. Obviously it is very tough to gather the evidence for 14 billion years ago. If your solution is to say that because we don't know itwas probably God is obviously not very logical.
As for the Goldilocks issue with Earth, if it hadn't been us here, it would have been someone else somewhere else(and could also be). There are an incomprehensible number of stars in the galaxy, so the odds of it happening more than once are high. You could get into the Drake equation, but logic tells us that although there are plenty of things that had to come together on Earth for us to be here, it's not an unreasonable expectation for it to happen elsewhere, or with a different combination of factors given that vast number of planetary systems that must exist.