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Old 06-21-2016, 06:35 AM   #536
CliffFletcher
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The idea that a lack of clear talk is what is standing in the way of the West and the regressive views some Muslims have lacks even basic intellectualism.

The West isn't winning any ideology war with Islam in the Middle East. Never, ever. Ego-centric fantasy. Nor are moderate and progressive Muslims in the current state of things.
You're probably correct that there's nothing we in the West can do to mitigate extreme Islam in Afghanistan or Pakistan. But what about Muslims who immigrate to the West? Isn't it a duty to try to ensure they integrate with our values? The Netherlands shows prospective immigrants pictures of women wearing scanty bathing suits, people drinking alcohol on patios, couples kissing in public, and same-sex couples holding hands, and tells them "You'd better be okay with this, because you're moving to a country where all these behaviours are tolerated."


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It takes time to shift ideology. If you think any progress will be made by the US president telling it straight, your understanding of the problem is in its infancy.
Your one-note personal war against political correctness misses the mark on this one. Irrelevant.
And if you think obscuring the truth is a winning strategy, you haven't been paying attention. One of the main threads of the narrative of the far right's rise in Europe is that the government lies to them. The far right are dangerous fools, but it's grossly irresponsible to fuel their paranoia and alienation by, you know, doing exactly what they accuse the government of doing. Lying to the angry masses out of some patronizing belief that they can't handle the truth has been disastrous.
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