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Crumpy-Gunt · 06-03-2016, 03:14 PM

This thread is basically a giant clash between people who want a big physical RW in the draft, people who want to trade up and get Puljujarvi (lol), and people who trust the scouts and just want them to stay at 6 and take the BPA.

Count me in the group that trust our scouts with a 6th overall pick. I dont know who they will take, but I'm confident we will get a great young player.

As far as Columbus trading down...they would be absolutely stupid to pass up JP at 3. I dont think they move the pick, definitely not for a pick trade, plus a 2nd and a prospect. To me there is a huge gap between Puljujarvi and Logan Brown (the top center available outside of Matthews). If Columbus gives up that much skill and offensive ceiling, just to get someone who is more likely to be a C, in Brown - I would be totally shocked. I like Brown, but theres no way I do that if I'm the BJs. Brown is like a taller Draisaitl, Puljujarvi could be a superstar in the NHL. He has that wow factor. There is quite a gap there imo.

As for trading down and taking Gauthier, Max Jones, etc... I love those 2 if we can get another pick.. but HELL to the NO NO. Dont move down from 6 to take a big physical RWer. Thats the worst thing a team can do in a draft, in any sport. Take the BPA, even if you are stacked there. There is a reason that professional world class hockey scouts have about 10 spots between Tkachuk/Nylander/3Dmen and Gauthier/Jones.

A good example of this is in the NFL, I'm a chiefs fan. I remember we had one of the absolute best running backs in football, probably the 2nd best after Ladanian Tomlinson, in Priest Holmes. In 2003 he broke Marshall Faulks NFL record for rushing TDs in one season with 27 (later broken by Tomlinson : 31). That same year we had the record setting running back in his PRIME, albeit injury prone...we took a running back in the 1st round at 27 overall.

That running back, Larry Johnson, became a superstar and a pro-bowl (all star player)

In his prime, we select a RB in the 3rd round who is our current best player and arguably the 2nd best RB in the NFL (Jamaal Charles). He holds the NFL career record for average yards per carry at 5.5.

Some people would say the Chiefs have been lucky to go from hall of fame RB, to pro bowl running back to another potential hall of famer.

We just took the BPA and it happened to be a running back even when we already had fantastic running backs, we still took them.

Similar to the Seth Jones draft. Brilliant pick by Nashville. If they would have decided they had Shea Weber and very good defense, they wouldnt have taken him. He was the BPA, he wasnt even supposed to slide to their spot in the draft - so they happily took him. Now they have a very good, high skill center to show for it. If they would have gone for a center in that draft, they likely wouldnt have the value today to be traded for Johansen OR Jones.

Our scouts are great. 6th is a high pick. There are some fantastic players ranked from 4-10. Lets let the scouts do their thing. The Hamilton trade was awesome last year, but I'm sure the scouts were super disappointed after doing all of that work, to lose 3 picks in the top few rounds. I'm also sure size will be one of the last factors the scouts debate. Nobody is sitting their arguing Logan Brown over Dubois solely because of size. I'm sure they cover IQ, growth curve, development, birth day, skating, shot, defensive instincts etc before they start doing the 6'6 vs 6'3 vs 5'11 or 225lbs vs 178lbs thing. Its ridiculous how much some of us amateurs factor position and size into a 6th overall pick. I'm 99% sure our scouts are totally open to a LD RD, LW, C, RW. Someone who's 6'6, or someone who is 5'9. 225, or 160. That will be one of the very last comparisons and discussions imo, as it should be when you are at the top of the 1st round. The discussion should all be about skill, skating, IQ, how they project, age, improvement etc.

Its frustrating and painful to see people purpose trading down for an extra 2nd rounder to hop from 6 to 15, so we can take Gauthier - since hes exactly the bruising 6'4 RW that we need on the 1st line. I'd have a heart attack if we did that. Just as I'd have a heart attack if I was a Blue Jackets fan and we traded from 3 to 6 to get Logan Brown. Remember how sad people were that we missed Teuvo Teravainen and Olli Maata? Imagine if we skip about 10 prospects who could be all stars to grab one guy that fits our team needs right now. As a sidenote; I like the Jankowski pick and I think he'll pan out - but I think its way way too dangerous to do that at 6 + we did that in that draft because we needed a 2nd and we somehow had Janko really high on our list so it made sense. We dont need a 2nd this year and there is no way we have Gauthier or anyone in the late teens ranked higher and anyone in the top 8

06-03-2016, 03:14 PM	#4749
Crumpy-Gunt Lifetime Suspension Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: 403 Exp:	This thread is basically a giant clash between people who want a big physical RW in the draft, people who want to trade up and get Puljujarvi (lol), and people who trust the scouts and just want them to stay at 6 and take the BPA. Count me in the group that trust our scouts with a 6th overall pick. I dont know who they will take, but I'm confident we will get a great young player. As far as Columbus trading down...they would be absolutely stupid to pass up JP at 3. I dont think they move the pick, definitely not for a pick trade, plus a 2nd and a prospect. To me there is a huge gap between Puljujarvi and Logan Brown (the top center available outside of Matthews). If Columbus gives up that much skill and offensive ceiling, just to get someone who is more likely to be a C, in Brown - I would be totally shocked. I like Brown, but theres no way I do that if I'm the BJs. Brown is like a taller Draisaitl, Puljujarvi could be a superstar in the NHL. He has that wow factor. There is quite a gap there imo. As for trading down and taking Gauthier, Max Jones, etc... I love those 2 if we can get another pick.. but HELL to the NO NO. Dont move down from 6 to take a big physical RWer. Thats the worst thing a team can do in a draft, in any sport. Take the BPA, even if you are stacked there. There is a reason that professional world class hockey scouts have about 10 spots between Tkachuk/Nylander/3Dmen and Gauthier/Jones. A good example of this is in the NFL, I'm a chiefs fan. I remember we had one of the absolute best running backs in football, probably the 2nd best after Ladanian Tomlinson, in Priest Holmes. In 2003 he broke Marshall Faulks NFL record for rushing TDs in one season with 27 (later broken by Tomlinson : 31). That same year we had the record setting running back in his PRIME, albeit injury prone...we took a running back in the 1st round at 27 overall. That running back, Larry Johnson, became a superstar and a pro-bowl (all star player) In his prime, we select a RB in the 3rd round who is our current best player and arguably the 2nd best RB in the NFL (Jamaal Charles). He holds the NFL career record for average yards per carry at 5.5. Some people would say the Chiefs have been lucky to go from hall of fame RB, to pro bowl running back to another potential hall of famer. We just took the BPA and it happened to be a running back even when we already had fantastic running backs, we still took them. Similar to the Seth Jones draft. Brilliant pick by Nashville. If they would have decided they had Shea Weber and very good defense, they wouldnt have taken him. He was the BPA, he wasnt even supposed to slide to their spot in the draft - so they happily took him. Now they have a very good, high skill center to show for it. If they would have gone for a center in that draft, they likely wouldnt have the value today to be traded for Johansen OR Jones. Our scouts are great. 6th is a high pick. There are some fantastic players ranked from 4-10. Lets let the scouts do their thing. The Hamilton trade was awesome last year, but I'm sure the scouts were super disappointed after doing all of that work, to lose 3 picks in the top few rounds. I'm also sure size will be one of the last factors the scouts debate. Nobody is sitting their arguing Logan Brown over Dubois solely because of size. I'm sure they cover IQ, growth curve, development, birth day, skating, shot, defensive instincts etc before they start doing the 6'6 vs 6'3 vs 5'11 or 225lbs vs 178lbs thing. Its ridiculous how much some of us amateurs factor position and size into a 6th overall pick. I'm 99% sure our scouts are totally open to a LD RD, LW, C, RW. Someone who's 6'6, or someone who is 5'9. 225, or 160. That will be one of the very last comparisons and discussions imo, as it should be when you are at the top of the 1st round. The discussion should all be about skill, skating, IQ, how they project, age, improvement etc. Its frustrating and painful to see people purpose trading down for an extra 2nd rounder to hop from 6 to 15, so we can take Gauthier - since hes exactly the bruising 6'4 RW that we need on the 1st line. I'd have a heart attack if we did that. Just as I'd have a heart attack if I was a Blue Jackets fan and we traded from 3 to 6 to get Logan Brown. Remember how sad people were that we missed Teuvo Teravainen and Olli Maata? Imagine if we skip about 10 prospects who could be all stars to grab one guy that fits our team needs right now. As a sidenote; I like the Jankowski pick and I think he'll pan out - but I think its way way too dangerous to do that at 6 + we did that in that draft because we needed a 2nd and we somehow had Janko really high on our list so it made sense. We dont need a 2nd this year and there is no way we have Gauthier or anyone in the late teens ranked higher and anyone in the top 8 Last edited by Crumpy-Gunt; 06-03-2016 at 03:19 PM.