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Originally Posted by Thor

Science just says what it discovers, and yes the harsh truth is the last decades of diet fads failed miserably. People get a defeatist attitude when they try over and over again different ways of losing weight only to return to previous weight or usually worse (yo yo dieting).

Don't disagree there. I think the main thing there is fad diet

lol where are we promoting obesity?? Fat shaming is not only horrible, it does the opposite of helping people, it only makes them feel worse, and what to people with obesity issues do when they feel bad, eat more...

Not you necessarily, but Tess Munster and Whitney Thore should not be people you build your life choices around.

Partially correct, that is a very simplistic outlook at the problem however. When you say committed lifestyle change, people do this all the time, the problem is however the body fights you tooth and nail to get back to its previous weight (set point) and even your own hormones in your stomach work against you.

Mind you, I could have been reading old sources, but from my understanding not every one in the medical field buys into set points and starvation mode arguments.

Well obviously lol, but that still does not change the fact the overwhelming majority fail, and if you want to blame that on the individuals for being lazy, lacking willpower, etc like so often people do (usually people who have never dealt with a serious weight problem), then I feel sorry for you, because that doesn't jive with the reality of the science and biology as we know today.

I don't think it is easy to lose weight because you have to change ingrained habits, but looking at obesity rates, I do not buy that there has been major metabolic shift in the general populace in 50 years. I buy into the simpler explanation that people are eating more calorie dense foods and leading more sedentary lifestyles. Thin people are not eating 4,000 calories and staying thin, just like overweight people are not eating 1,000 calories and staying morbidly obese.

I love these kinds of programs, people who enter group activities for physical exercise, eating healthy support groups do fare better. Again the key being slow and steady weight loss.

Exactly, I think that message should get blasted more than the never diet because it won't work.

I also think that there needs to be a big push in alleviating childhood obesity rates and disordered eating habits. I am guessing that an obese child is more likely to remain obese and a thin child will more likely stay thin in adulthood.