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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
I agree the Bouma deal wasn't a good one. But the Flames are far from cap trouble. Saying we are in cap trouble ignores the fact the cap trouble goes away next season.
We aren't at risk of not being able to sign any assets we truly care about (our core) which is all that matters. The only reason people are even thinking we have cap issues is because, one, some our young core are better quicker than we thought, two, Treliving added an amazing young D piece unexpectedly to our core last year, and three, and this one is must important, the team became competitive quicker than expected. Flames brass gave Treliving to spend during our rebuild so we didn't go full Oiler. Turned out our young guys progressed faster than thought, making fans impatient about our cap situation and impatient about freeing up money right away to fill our gaps.
But all of these are good problems to have. I'm not saying Treliving hasn't made any mistakes, Bouma us a great example. But his body of work has been good to date. Worst case scenario with Colborne is we have to walk away from a decent but not great player, we will survive.
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To me Bouma's contract set a high bar for 4th line players, and my worry is that agents will point to it as a way of getting more for their clients. Bouma's contract means we probably don't get Joe at the 2-2.5 that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
somehow it's Bouma's 2.2 M and not Hamilton's 5.75 , Frolik's 4.3 or Gio's 6.75.
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He was the first name that came to mind. Frolik is a 3rd line player on a good team, yes his contract is too high. I am fine with Hamilton and Gio.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
The cap will probably be about $74M and you think Treliving has painted himself into a corner by paying Bouma - a very servicable, physical and versatile player - $2.2M?
$2.2 is a million below the average at $74M.
You can dislike the contract if you want, but it has definitely not painted the Flames into a corner.
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You are right. I should have just said I think he is paying too much for supporting players.
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Originally Posted by The Fonz
If Colborne is going to cost 3M going forward, then the Flames need to trade him.
I'm not convinced that he's a top 6 forward, and teams get killed cap-wise when they overpay the bottom half of their roster.
I don't believe we'll be a contender with contracts like Colborne (3.5), Stajan (3.2), Raymond (3.15), Bollig (1.3), Smid (3.5), and Engellend (3) on the books. I'm quickly becoming of the opinion that players are either consistent high end NHL talent, or they're expendable, and they need to be paid accordingly. There are no shortage of guys like Hathaway, Nakladal, Grant, etc, toiling away in lesser leagues, and they'd gladly take league minimum if it meant a 1-way NHL contract.
On a somewhat related note, if Josh Jooris gets more than 800k from this team, I'm going to snap. I don't care that his qualifying offer is around 1M... he is the definition of expendable. He's the type of player that should be on a league minimum contract, as there is a line of guys behind him who would gladly play for that, and they'd play just as well.
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This is what I was getting at, you stated it much better than I did.