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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
This is one of multiple instances in your post that you're kind of all over the place with the whole "group that is insulted" thing though. Pick one group and talk about them.
I only spoke about a crowd doing the "tomahawk chop" or whatever they call it and doing the chant at a seminoles game.
I'm a little unsure what you are getting at? So you don't like the Seminole Tribe?
Or they don't have the right to be offended because they are rich?
For example, no one is offended at our silly caricatures of the irish or vikings or the literally hundreds of other groups that are used for team names, images, chants etc in professional and amateur sports.
So question, if in the next 50 to 100 years we improved the treatment of NAs in Canada and the US and we were all happy campers and they were all healthy and lived great lives with no social issues or poverty, would they then fall into the who cares category like vikings and irish and the literally hundreds of other groups that are used for sports?
I fundamentally disagree that every single use of NA imagery, chants, names etc is inherently offensive. And until you can provide links and evidence as proof that each and everyone is offensive I won't be convinced.
See I think this is your real issue.
It just isn't made worse by Florida State using a well known Seminole tribe member on their helmets.
You must mean me here, no the bigger picture is not lost on me and I'm not sure how you even got that. Do I have to talk about ALL imagery when I respond to a specific post about a single use of imagery?
Furthermore the idea that you think that all images must be offfensive just because some are offensive doesn't make a lot of sense.
Again, it's more of the same argument. "they are treated bad so we can NEVER use NA images, chants etc in sports". Why don't we worry about actually helping NA people instead of fighting battles that may offend them?
I'm not sure if some helmet logo is having any negative effect on the treatment of NAs.
I'm pretty sure that is what I said about the Seminole chant.
See now you're doing it again. Taking comments I made about a singular incident and applying it to all use of NA imagery etc.
I think we all know NAs are oppressed and ignored. It is offensive that you would even suggest that people are saying they aren't.
Yeah I don't think those are flattering either...
Whose kids? What does that even mean? Aren't we all someones kids? Were you cloned?
And who is justifying it? Why don't you quote them and respond to their comments?
Posts like yours are really easy to make. Don't respond to any specific comments. When you do respond to specific comments, like mine on the Seminoles, pivot and ignore those comments and start talking about other examples that probably are offensive. Then bring up unarguable things like the mistreatment of NAs over the last 500 years that really don't explain why the original thing is offensive. Then make a bunch of broad strokes responses to boogeyman comments that you refer to but don't actually quote.
At the end of the day we agree on multiple things here. Mistreatment of NAs, the need to improve that, humans mistreating other humans based on race, creed, culture etc.
What we fundamentally disagree on is how the use of NA imagery, logos, chants etc in sports harms or doesn't harm their current situation.
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First off nobody responded to you. Take a few deep breaths. I didnt quote you or mention you. No need to give me a complement sandwich here. Starting and ending with i agree with you and mixing in a bunch of BS i never said. I mentioned the seminoles.. Not you.
I dont have to pick one group and talk about them. Look at the title of this thread..
I dont dislike the seminoles...
Rich people do have a right to be offended..
That is a stupid point. Dont insult peoples intelligence here. Dont compare the irish and nordic logos to this. I wont even say anymore than that. Its stupid. Dont be stupid.
WHO ON EARTH SAID EVERY SINGLE USE OF THEIR NAMES IS OFFENSIVE?
You should change your username to cecil strawman. Maybe cecil crybaby.
Also I dont mean you when I say the bigger picture is lost on some posters here. I mean some posters here. If I meant you I would have said cecil.
You sound like you are suffering from serious butthurt. You think my whole entire post was about you you you.
I started posting in here after reading most of the 39 pages. I'm responding to a lot of it.
Yes i mentioned the seminoles. Yes you posted the video. That doesnt mean when I say something about the seminoles im hurling a veiled insult at you. This thread isnt about you, convincing you, posting the way you want, sticking to one topic, quoting people, etc. Dont tell people how to post. You are lucky im spacing paragraphs.
The fact you took my whole post as some sort of attack on your views is hilarious.
Some peoples kids... means some peoples kids. Sometimes some peoples children. It doesnt mean I was cloned.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are ridiculous dude. Dont assume everything is secretly an insult intended for you. You read like a sensitive narcissist hastily building strawmen to disprove something i never said.
Literally everything I bolded is cringeworthy or laughworthy. I love how say 'posts like yours are really easy to make'
then make a post nitpicking everything i said and assuming it is about you, or even demanding that I quote other users and speak on one topic at a time. Posts like yours are really easy to make and really funny to read. Thanks for making my afternoon.