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Old 04-08-2016, 10:42 PM   #351
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Originally Posted by JJ1532 View Post
Ok, fair point. But why did they take 3 goalies into the season in the first place?
Why?
Because coming into this season Ortio had fifteen games of NHL experience. Despite this, Ortio was a top goalie prospect who very well could have been claimed once waived by a team looking to poach him. And Treliving likes Ortio. He knows there's potential for a starter there in this young player, who was 24 to open the season and 24 to close it. But potential is only that.

Why?
Because Hiller was a temporary fix signed while Ramo was somewhat unproven. As Ramo repeated his 2013-14 season in 2014-15 to prove he was a steady prescence in the backend, getting rid of Hiller's contract became difficult. And it wasn't even a bad contract as there was very little term attached.

Why?
Because JF Berube as well as Kevin Poulin, an older, and considered-to-be worse goalie prospect than Joni Ortio. were two young 3rd stringers claimed off of the waiver wire. Treliving did not want to lose Ortio on waivers.

Why?
Because Flames ownership is probably not all too enamoured with 4.5M or 3.7M players spending time in the minor leagues.


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What was the best case scenario?
Best case scenarios include:

1) Ortio blows Hartley away in training camp and is the 1A while Ramo is the #1B for when the 24 year old goes through an inevitible rough patch. Hiller also plays fine, and a team akin to last season's Wild is desperate for a starter, and we ship Jonas Hiller off for something like a 2nd-4th round draft pick and profit.

2) Ramo/Hiller play fine, and Ortio gets sent down at a time of the season where claiming a goalie is less likely. Ortio then splits the net with Gillies and has a good year, like plenty of other quality NHL goalies have done in their first year of waiver eligibility. Ramo establishes himself as the clear #1 and Hiller the 1B, so that in 2017-18 Ortio can be the backup pushing him and we walk away from Hiller gracefully.

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Or, you can go back further than that and ask, with Ortio on a 1 way deal, why he even brought back Ramo in the first place.
Maybe Ramo's work ethic was something they wanted Ortio, Gillies etc to learn from, as Gio's work ethic is something they show to all the skaters. You know, that whole culture building thing he harps on about?

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How much did he look for a goalie on the trade market once the season started?
Why, you wanted a 'four goalie monster'?

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Originally Posted by New Era View Post
Problem being is it didn't take a rocket surgeon to see that Hiller was complete crap toward the end of last year.
Jonas Hiller had a .930 save percentage in his final 18 games, between playoffs and regular season. "complete crap".

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