[thefoss1957]

Corsi...again, I disagree with the comparisons to Simon or Torres, with Keith...IMO, Keith has more of an ANGER MANAGEMENT problem, rather than, like Torres, running around and trying to injure players as a initiator. ALL the incidents with Keith have been RETALIATORY to a provocation. Doesn't excuse him, doesn't make him a "cleaner" player...just points out the difference between Torres, a truly "dirty player" and Keith, who can be provoked into a "dirty" retaliation.

With Torres, there is ALWAYS a chance that he is going to go out of his way to cripple a guy...with Keith, the majority of the time, he is going to make a clean "hockey" play, UNLESS, you have a. Hit him in the face with your shoulder WELL after a play, b. Slashed his bare hand in an attempt to injure him, c. Slewfooted him to force a turnover, and d. High Sticked him in the mouth AND slew footed him on the same play, which cover all four provocations that have been brought up on this thread.

Is retaliation acceptable? No, and to the Neanderthals that say, drop the gloves instead, I say, what makes a blunt force concussion with concentrated force superior, ethically, to other forms of retaliation?

But, to equate provoked, heat of the moment, retaliation (Keith, in 3 of the above instances), to conscious attempts to injure (Torres, repeatedly) you are not talking about the same degree of dirtbaggery.