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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I'd work fast food, garbage collection or janitorial services all day every day if it paid me the same as my current work. The reason no one wants those jobs is because they don't pay well, and the reason they don't pay well is largely because everyone can do them. Well, okay, garbage collection may be the exception here.
As for the "it's not worth 100 times more" difference, I feel like you're just applying a really subjective moral judgment about what the value of certain work is. I guess everyone does that, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that your intuitions about those things are inherently right, because they're not based on anything beyond your personal feelings.
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For everyone-can-do-those jobs, you're right. But IMO, that doesn't mean that once working that job, those people work any more or less hard than anyone else. Time-wise, it's largely the same. And the point is that people that are doing those jobs, working full-time, trying to support families and what not (just like the rest of us), should be able to provide the same necessities (school, recreation, possibly special needs support, etc..) for their kids as anyone else. My position has always been that we should be working to give everyone the same starting point, not working to help pay for mistakes of adults. But in order to support that kid, you need to support their parents.
For your second paragraph, I don't necessarily disagree. A lot of my value put on work is the time spent doing it. I also have this view because I've spent the better part of my twenties working in a situation where people around me make 20-40% more than I do for doing the same amount of work, and in most cases, quite a bit less. But you will never be able to convince me that anyone earns (as in works hard enough on a day to day basis to justify that difference) 1000s of times more than anyone else. Nobody has that type of positive impact to our system. And hundreds or even thousands isn't really an exaggeration. There are people that make $30k or less that IMO, work just as hard (in actual effort) as someone pulling in $300K or more. And it's not even those people that bother me. There are people who legitmately earn that much. It's the people who bring in 10s of millions per year or more that just straight up don't work hard enough comparatively to justify that difference.
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Except the Engineering students went through 4 years of hell with max course loads and 50% drop out because they can't do it. Lets stop pretending 4 year degrees are all equal because of duration.
Typically people are paid higher because they possess skills and or knowledge that isn't common in the general public. Obviously some salaries that exist are obscene, but there are so few that its the exception not the rule.
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Yup there's differences for sure. But does that difference earn the difference in salary? I personally don't think so. This doesn't mean I don't think engineers should make better money that social workers (although I certainly know people from both sectors who should probably switch salaries), just that the difference in skill and effort is not as big as the difference in salary.
And as for the last sentence, why are those people allowed to be exceptions? What makes them exceptional?