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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Can we reset the expectations for Ferland? He had a good playoff series and has not lived up to that level of play since.
Ferland has zero (0) points in his last 13 games. That does not project to top 6. That is CP falling in love with the idea of the player, not the guy we see night in and night out.
Flashes are one thing, that is what may get you a shot at the NHL. Consistency is the basis for building a career.
Back to the buses and figure out what you bring that will make you stick.
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Absolutely. He got fired up by getting suckered into a penalty early against Vancouver G1,R1, and that flipped a switch; that we didn't see before, and, after the Vancouver series, didn't see again. Manson got his arm up when he knew Ferland was coming, on Ferland's second shift in round 2, and that was it for the ANA series.
He's got some Sven Baerstchi-like expectation resetting to do, himself and the fans.
This year, the odd flash, but very few instances of a consistent rough and tumble effective player...
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Originally Posted by cracher
Is it Bollig/Ferland being complacent, or has Hartley changed his coaching style over the last couple seasons? To me, it seems like the muscle simply doesn't ever get deployed against the offenders after a cheap-shot. Very different from a couple of seasons ago.
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The hate for Bollig in this thread is a bit misguided, he doesn't fit a role on this team because he can't play his role because of Hartley's version of "discipline". That
s a conflict between the GM and coach. He's not a top tier enforcer (such as they are these days), and then being the vet, has to set the example and not take that retribution type show for fear of drawing a penalty....which leads to the point below.
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
I think the problem is the teams culture. Ferland and Bollig were not on the ice when Gaudreau was jabbed by Keith. The 4 other guys on that shift should have done something.
When Hamilton was on top of Seabrook, the Hawks didn't wait until their tough guys were out to go after Dougie, Toews took care of it himself. He is their captain, their leader, he sets the culture of the team, which is to defend teammates
Same thing with the Flyers defending their captain when he was hit by Hanzal. Every Flyer on the ice went after Hanzal
This is a young team that will need to learn that part; as much as I like Gio, he needs to lead the way in setting that team culture
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Great post, but not sure it's on Gio. This is all Hartley and trying to teach "discipline", or some form of it. A few years back when Lee Stempniak got attacked by Ference, at home, after throwing a clean hit, Ference throwing punches, to a guy that hasn't fought (though he got attacked the game just before in similar fashion against Dallas) in 5 years, and Lee didn't have his gloves off.....and the Flames did NOTHING the rest of the game, or since, to Ference, who's on a division rival.
Last night with Keith, less egregious, but no way you put up with that on one of your top players....but who does Hartley throw out the next shift (after a whistle)? Backlund and Frolik. Just terrible. We're 26th in the league and there's 6 games left, and we're letting players take liberties with our top wingers, and the Flames players turn the other way?
As above, I don't think its because the roster doesn't have guys that can take a whack at Keith next shift, or even some other Hawk the very next shift, it's that Hartley think's its undisciplined and warned the guys not to be undisciplined. So there are vets that are itching to do that are told to set examples for the younger players on the team, and the younger guys (and the vets alike) don't want to be in the Hartley dog house.
As Canada02 mentions, look at the other examples recently, and Chicago's response last night to a much less cheap shot than Keith's; all teams he referenced are playoff teams, and clearly those teams don't care if they're down a man by taking an extra penalty within a game, when it comes to making sure the other team, and other teams in future, can't push them around.
The Flames have nothing left to play for the year other then pride and setting the tone and changing the culture...and instead of pushing back, they let other teams just do what they want to top players...but hey, at least we've still taken the least penalties in the league (and still have the worst PK), right?
Hard to believe an organization with Burke around is letting that stuff happened without a response. Pathetic IMO.