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Originally Posted by New Era
Glad to see someone else to work for the Board and come away with a bad opinion of them. I know they cannot be completely blamed for the deal cut to establish the Saddledome, but that deal has been hurting the Flames for years. They do not control important revenue streams that would allow them access to the dollars that will allow them to be more aggressive in their game.
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Well no ****. The Flames put exactly $0 into the construction of the Saddledome. Why should they have ever had any rights to that revenue without paying for it? The Stampede selling the operating rights to the Flames for a song was a gift to the Flames and the Flames should be on their knees saying thank you. Don't act like the Stampede is some big bad evil meddling thing. The various levels of government built us the Saddledome and gave the Stampede the rights to operate. Just because the Flames started whining about wanting to operate their free building does not mean the Stampede were big bad meddlers. It's the other way around. The Flames were the whiny spoiled child wanting some other kid's rightfully owned toy.
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Originally Posted by New Era
This is why the team is looking for a new facility, one away from Stampede owned land. When people suggest they build back on the grounds they just don't understand the board or what they are like to deal with. The Stampede grounds are a non-starter, which is a good thing. I hope a deal gets done, but it won't disappoint me if it doesn't. I just hope the people of Calgary will understand if ownership finally decides to cash in that savings bond they are sitting on and the team moves on to greener pastures.
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The Stampede would welcome the Flames onto the grounds with open arms. If the Flames don't make the Stampede put in any money and build all of their own parking, the you're not going to find the Stampede sitting there with their hands out demanding parking money or a cut of operating revenue. They would have no leverage to. That would simply not make any sense. They'd just be happy to have the extra traffic down on the grounds. But if the Flames wanted to use the Stampede's rightfully owned parking lots, then you're damn right the Stampede should have their hand out. Would you let me park on your driveway for free?
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
They are NOT members of the "Board". The "Board" is not sitting in a ivory tower coming coming up with the ideas and making the deals. The executive leadership team does all of that, and brings it to the Board for approval, feedback, guidance and direction. Of course the Board has a major say in how things go, and essentially guide the direction of the organization (and decide if the CEO sticks around or not), but it's a few hours a week for most of them (more in June/July of course). Running the top of an organization is lots of work, which is why it's down by the aforementioned CEO, CFO and VPs, who are salaried, and spend ~8 hours on any given day focused on Stampede.
This is hardly any different from any other organization (perhaps Stampede board members seem a bit more prominent, but I think that may have to do with the breadth of backgrounds they come from, including some higher profile folks. An oil company's board is going to be mostly other oil dudes, and maybe some bankers, etc.).
Why aren't people outraged at the Encana Board or Petro Canada Board, etc. for layoffs? "Stampede Board" must just has a nice ring to it.
Lastly, because the Stampede isn't putting a team on the ice, they should have been more willing to give up their revenue stream? Giving it up for nothing would probably have meant the loss of some full time jobs (people like I used to be)...the majority of Flames payroll expense is for P/T, typically second jobs for people; 5-20 hrs/week.
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Fantastic post. It's nice to see someone here with an understanding of how the Stampede's governance structure actually works. I get that you have your list of grievances about the Stampede, that's totally fair, but we are certainly aligned on our opinion of how the Stampede has conducted itself in its relationship with the Flames.