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Originally Posted by Yoho
My math is just fine Squiggs, last year first round greens playoff tickets were $125 if all you did as a season ticket holder was sell at face value you would still make approx $160 on your 4 seats. But that's not what you want is it? You want the big payoff.
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You math is not right. You said I was bragging about a 300% property tax increase, when I wasn't bragging, and it's only about 6.6%. Your math isn't even close.
The first time you complained about my tickets, you said I wanted to profit $300-350 per ticket. I have shown that I wanted $300 in net proceeds. Unless the tickets cost me $0, then I am not wanting a profit of $300-$350 per ticket. I was looking at a profit of about $240 per ticket. I have never said I only wanted face value. If the market value for tickets is $300 per ticket, why would I sell my ticket for $125? That makes no sense. I wouldn't sell my house for $500,000 if it was worth $1,200,000. I wouldn't sell my house for $500 less if I had other offers of $500 more, no matter what the price level it was at, if both offers were equal.
You also said I whined over only getting a 40% markup. If I was getting a 40% markup I'd have sold the tickets for $84 each. I never whined, and I never marked them up 40%.
Let's further suppose that I sold green tickets in round one for $125 each, and I sold all four of them. You said this would make me $160 on the four seats. It's actually $263.
There are four examples of your math being wrong.
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Originally Posted by Yoho
The Kijiji list prices of upwards of $350 per seat that we saw. And even though you would get that on Stub hub you moaned that you had to pay their kick back fees.
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Here's another example of you being wrong. I never once moaned about the fees that ticketmaster or StubHub charged. The entire premise of my argument was that I was looking for x amount of dollars in revenue, which in my example was $300 per ticket. I don't care if I sell it here, ticketmaster, StubHub, eBay, or on Kijiji. My goal was to show that if I sell a ticket here for $300, then the buyer is only paying $300. If I sell it on ticketmaster then the buyer pays $405. Either way, I still get the exact same amount. I set my price by what I want to take home. This means setting it at $333 in order to get $300. I was trying to show that having a place here that allows seller to sell above face value would save the buyers money, and would bring about repeat sales that would help the sellers. It was a win win.
I have many times stated that I think businesses should make money for their fees. I was trying to find a way to minimize these fees, and keep the money in buyers' pockets. I'll state it again: my cut is exactly the same, no matter which avenue I take. I am happy to pay the fees to ticketmaster, because they are facilitating the purchase and sale transaction, taking the liability for the the purchase, and are providing a market place that allows me to sell tickets. I'm not sure I can be any more clear on this.
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Originally Posted by Yoho
It's fair for you to ask for more than face value but do it on the proper sites like Stub hub or deal with the kijiji zombies.
IMO we don't need the problem that scalped tickets bring on this site.
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I've had many pleasant sales on kijiji and craigslist, from tickets, to furniture, to video games. You seem jaded by them.
I am of the opinion that we should have the discussion on whether to allow tickets to be sold above face value here. You said that you don't need the problems that scalped tickets would bring, but you never stated what these problems are. If you bring actual problems and facts, then I might even agree with you. That's the whole point of having a reasoned debate. Lying and mudslinging isn't going to help either side.
You can absolutely have the opinion that you don't want tickets to be sold over face value here. I have never once tried to say you couldn't have this view. When you make up figures, and use hyperbole, you lose all credibility in your argument. When you make up lies by stating that I'm whining, crying, moaning, etc. over fees, when the exact opposite is true, you look foolish.
All you have to do is say that you would prefer tickets are sold at face value or less on this site. That's a valid opinion and stance to have. You can give a multitude of reasons for having this opinion, but when you lie about me, and make up words and figures to dramatize your point, that's offensive to me.