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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Who here is "not using stats"? Just because you are the only person in this discussion who has chosen an arbitrary metric to determine your position does not mean that everyone else has ignored them. The rest of us do not find your position remotely compelling for the varia of reasons already outlined above.

Everything in this thread is arbitrary. You're just singling mine out because it's presented via stats (and specifically, stats people here don't "like"). Let's see:

the year after, time to compete.

Arbitrary.

The rebuild is no longer a rebuild when we can reasonably expect to make the conference finals.

Arbitrary. Reasonable expectations are opinions and depend on who you're asking.

When the Flames make playoffs two consecutive years

Two? Why not four? Arbitrary.

When the team is considered a contender

Abitrary. Depends on who is doing the "considering".

5 years from start to perennial playoff team.....that would make it the 2017-2018 season give or take.

5 years? Arbitrary timeline.

50% score-adjusted Corsi
50% scored-adjusted Fenwick
20th ranked PP

Abitrary? Sure. More arbitrary than any of the others?

we must be around the top 10 in the league in 3 of following 4 stats:

Goals For
Goals Against
PP%
PK%

So I guess 11th in the league in goals for is not good enough, because that's not arbitrary.

1.5 seasons

Arbitrary.

When the Flames can realistically contend for the division title, beat good teams on a regular basis, and learn to hang onto leads. When they do that for 2 years in a row, I'll believe it's done.

Why 2 years in a row and not 7?

When we get some real goaltending and a power forward

"real" goaltending and "power" forward are not arbitrary?

.....yeah. Explain to me why the arbitrary nature of my post is so bothersome to you. OP is literally asking when a rebuild is not a rebuild. Newsflash: The concept of rebuilding is inherently arbitrary.

You seem to be missing a crucial detail and is the reason many people cannot stand advanced stat enthusiasts.

Do me a favor, and petition Bingo to make advanced stats enthusiasm against CP Rules. Majority Rules That What You Can't Stand Should Be Eliminated Just Because You Can't Stand It.

Advanced Stats are great in context. They are great as a support tool. They are NOT meant to be taken as gospel and should never be used as key evidence for quantifying ANYTHING.

That whole second sentence is contradictory to the first and second. And no one is taking anything as gospel other than "advanced stats don't mean ####." That's the only gospel.

It's people like you that make the advanced statistic community look like a bunch of idiots. There's more to it than looking at how high or low a number is. The numbers do tell a story, but you're not telling a very accurate story with them.

Do tell me what "people like me" do to make "the advanced statistic community look like a bunch of idiots" other than "people like you" want to believe "the entire advanced statistic community are inherently a bunch of idiots"