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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
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Marc Staal? Not so good apparently. Does it match reality? Eh. It's hard to find stats that measure all of the things that physical defensive defensemen like Staal contribute. Corsi seems to vastly underrate physical, defensive defensemen is what I've noticed.
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Other than Hjalmarsson, Weber, Chara, Despres, Tanev, Martin, Methot, etc etc etc....
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Fail.
All of those guys play with an above average puck mover.
Hjalmarsson: Duncan Friggin' Keith.
Methot: Erik Friggin' Karlsson.
Need I say more? Yes?
Weber: Roman Josi
Despres: Sami Vatanen
Tanev: Alex Edler
Martin: Brent Burns
Chara: ? An anomaly, but a giant of an anomaly. Plus, he can move the puck decently well himself.
Basically, all of those guys have good advanced stats because of their partner. However, it does NOT mean that if they did not play with those puck moving defensemen, that those players would suddenly have poor value. There is the major flaw with the advanced stat argument. It will ALWAYS favor players who are highly skilled and can move the puck by themselves through the other team. Problem is, hockey is still a team game, and all the pieces matter and have value. Corsi has value from a team perspective and evaluating overall effectiveness of the team, but it has next to no value for evaluating individual players, especially if those players are on bad teams.
This is part of the reason why I felt the advanced stat argument against Kris Russell was somewhat flawed.