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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
And this is how it goes every time...
Start with 'you're all idiots', then move the goalposts from "I'm right!" to "well you have to agree that it has some value"
Yes, I (and I believe almost everyone) agree(s) that it has some value.
The problem is the arrogant, 'I am right and you're all blind!' way you always start the argument, before falling back to 'well, at least it's some basis for evaluation'
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In order to notice the difference, all you have to concede is that it has some value. I was mocking FDW for just saying nonsensical crap based on nothing but words he was pulling out of his ass. He doesn't have any basis for it, he's just saying "I know what to look for in the defensive zone and lots of people don't, and I watch a lot of hockey, so maybe go watch some hockey and come back and tell me what you've learned". That's
hilarious, and it's far more arrogant than pointing to evidence to support an argument, even if you happen to take the flat-earth view with regard to the value of that evidence
As for BWIF, lol again. No, plus minus is not the most important statistic. It's the least useful stat in hockey besides goalie wins.
http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...lus-minus-stat
But even if you did want to look at what happens in terms of goal scoring, look at Karlsson's most common linemates this year. When Karlsson is on the ice with Methot, the Sens score 55.9% of the goals. When Methot's without him, they score 35.7%. When EK is on the ice with Stone, the sens get 51.2% of the goals. When Stone's out there without Karlsson, 39.3%. When he's out there with Turris, they only get 45.9% of the goals. But when Turris doesn't have Karlsson? It's 36%.
Gee, I wonder whether he might be driving the bus on outscoring the other guys.