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Originally Posted by wittynickname
Unless I missed something, the"forced surgery" reference is about childbirth, not abortion.
Until the fetus is born and becomes a child, the sole responsibility for its well-being and sustenance is on the woman. Until men can carry a pregnancy to term, this is fact. The man doesn't have morning sickness, the man cannot become anemic and be placed on bedrest, the man cannot be kept from traveling because of the pregnancy, etc.
Pregnancy dramatically affects a woman's body in physical and emotional ways, in ways that it simply cannot possibly affect a man's body. The woman has to do all of the work for the first 9 months no matter what, and she will continue to deal with those effects long after childbirth happens. Both sides have to be responsible and aware, but until men can gestate, women get the final say. There should obviously be a discussion, and of course there are women who will disregard the man's desires, but I'd imagine that happens just as or less often than a deadbeat dad who refuses to support his child.
There are bad men and bad women, but if corpses get bodily autonomy, actual living women deserve it as well.
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I feel like we are partly having a discussion that isn't aligned. I really didn't support any suggestions for forced surgery or debate that the woman physically carries the child. I really hate to just repeat the same thing over and over so I'll just say that I think you need to read my posts and think about rights and responsibilities and how they pertain to pre and post birth. Is it 50/50 the whole time? If not, why not? Do you honestly believe that it should be 100/0 in favour of the mother until birth, then it should revert to 50/50? And if you do believe the father should have no say in whether or not his child is born or is aborted, how do you justify forcing that father to take responsibility once the child is born?
I'm not saying I have any solutions. All I'm saying is that I can't imagine that it is fair to break down responsibility of conception/pregnancy/raising a child as 50/50 for conception, 100/0 mother/father in pregnancy then revert to 50/50 in childbirth.
I'd recommend that we make a new thread for this to stop derailing but I think keeping this discussion hidden in the Last Week Tonight thread has kept it low key and allowed for some pretty civil back and forth.