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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
I don't have the time for a full reply but 1) obviously forcing surgery on an unwilling person isn't the answer and seems like a counter to a point I never made and 2) didn't we just learn from John Oliver that many abortions don't even require surgery?
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Unless I missed something, the"forced surgery" reference is about childbirth, not abortion.
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Quite a bit of what you posted seems tangential to my post so I'll just reiterate that the child is not solely the women's responsibility, nor should she have sole decision making power over the life or potential life of the child. You shouldnt get to have full control over birth/abortion then expect someone else to split the responsibility once the child is born. Sharing responsibility should start at conception, not birth. "It's my body and my child until it's born then pay up" does not sound like a good philosophy when it comes to taking responsibility for a child's life.
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Until the fetus is born and becomes a child, the sole responsibility for its well-being and sustenance is on the woman. Until men can carry a pregnancy to term, this is fact. The man doesn't have morning sickness, the man cannot become anemic and be placed on bedrest, the man cannot be kept from traveling because of the pregnancy, etc.
Pregnancy
dramatically affects a woman's body in physical and emotional ways, in ways that it simply cannot possibly affect a man's body. The woman has to do
all of the work for the first 9 months no matter what, and she will continue to deal with those effects long after childbirth happens. Both sides have to be responsible and aware, but until men can gestate, women get the final say. There should obviously be a discussion, and of course there are women who will disregard the man's desires, but I'd imagine that happens just as or less often than a deadbeat dad who refuses to support his child.
There are bad men and bad women, but if corpses get bodily autonomy, actual living women deserve it as well.