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Originally Posted by rubecube
The law is designed the way it is to theoretically serve the best interests of the child. Compelling a woman to have surgery she does not want or need is a massive step backwards for society. I'll agree it's maybe not a perfect law, but any alternative has to consider the interests of the child as its primary focus, not the interests of the ding dongs who forgot to wrap it up. If we lived in a society where contraception or education surrounding contraception was not readily available, I might be open to different suggestions. Similarly if you could prove that one or both parties in the arrangement lacked the cognitive abilities to understand contraception, then I think there should be alternative solutions. In either case the end solution still wouldn't be to legally compel a woman to terminate the pregnancy, it would be along the lines of providing increased support or social assistance for the parents if the mother elected to carry the child to term.
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I don't have the time for a full reply but 1) obviously forcing surgery on an unwilling person isn't the answer and seems like a counter to a point I never made and 2) didn't we just learn from John Oliver that many abortions don't even require surgery?
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Originally Posted by wittynickname
Let's say I have a son and he needs a heart transplant. A perfect donor is found in a patient who just died in the next bed in the hospital.
If that now deceased person is not an organ donor, the hospital cannot take that organ to save my son's life.
Insisting a woman has to go to term with a pregnancy she doesn't want is basically saying a corpse has more rights than does a living woman.
If a man wants control over his possible offspring, only have sex when you're certain you want to conceive with that woman, only when you can afford to support that child on your own, when you can (in the US anyway) pay for her medical bills (a completely normal, healthy birth in the US runs well into 5 figures), also make sure her bills are covered in the weeks her body needs to recover from said pregnancy. (A typical woman who gives birth often has major repercussions from giving birth for 4-6 weeks after the child is born, and many women are never the same after giving birth)
Giving birth isn't just surgery, it's not like arthroscopic surgery where she goes in, has the procedure and is home that night. Even a normal birth is multiple days in the hospital. It is a hugely invasive process unlike almost anything men can experience. And that's just the final part of a pregnancy, that doesn't include the other 30-some weeks of misery beforehand.
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Quite a bit of what you posted seems tangential to my post so I'll just reiterate that the child is not solely the women's responsibility, nor should she have sole decision making power over the life or potential life of the child. You shouldnt get to have full control over birth/abortion then expect someone else to split the responsibility once the child is born. Sharing responsibility should start at conception, not birth. "It's my body and my child until it's born then pay up" does not sound like a good philosophy when it comes to taking responsibility for a child's life.