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Originally Posted by Superfraggle
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Yes, really. There is also really zero need to be condescending either. This is a massive subject that is ignored, and I used to get so fired up that I couldn’t type or even think clearly. At any rate, I do not want to derail this thread so I will comment on your comment even though it really deserves the same respect as a White Rhinoceros Poacher and I won’t comment on it any further.
I get that Women’s Rights and Feminism is all the rage and because of that it’s easy to support and it gets the money. I am not a feminist, nor will I ever be one. One of the major reasons that I’m not is when you actually talk about real problems for the other sex you get the backhanded comments, the sarcastic “poor you”, or the out right “I don’t care” behavior. Feminism is supposed to be about “everyone”, but much like communism, which twisted into something much different and didn’t help the common individual, feminism is like Spa Lady, it’s only for women. I’m a Humanist which is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition.
Abortions, why do they exist? An abortion is a medical process of ending a pregnancy so it does not result in the birth of a baby. It can be done in the earlier stages by medication or in the later stages by a medical procedure. The three main reasons to have them are
1) Negative impact on the mother’s life. 2) Financial instability 3) Relationship problems/unwilling to be a single mother. 4) Stem Cell and Health research. So, in western culture we look at specifically the woman during pregnancy. She alone gets the choice and a man just has to suck it up. There is no choice for him. There was no conversation before intercourse about agreeing to have baby.
Abortions, why are they such a debate?
1) Abortion offends God. This one works for those who believe in the almighty. 2) Life begins at conception. 3) Mankind must protect life at all cost. 4) Abortion is unsafe. Really, the it’s the religious faction that are behind the anti-abortion stance by an overwhelming margin. As we gain more awareness in science and technology we start to separate church and state and this is something that is very important.
No laws should exist where a good percentage of population are negatively affected, or their inalienable rights are affected.
Just in-case people are wondering, I’m Pro-Choice.
I believe that a fair and responsible society that believes in equal rights should give both parties involved the option to terminate or release the burden if one side wants the child and the other doesn’t. Now many here will jump on the highly-unlikely-train that a man will force a woman to birth a child. Well, if she gets paid like a pro athlete you might just have an argument… Very few men would demand that a child is born, and it would effect far less of the population than our current social model. Also, in a world where one can abort, a woman can just get it done without telling anyone. Yes, it’s her body for those 9 months, but, in the current social model, it’s everyone’s responsibility for the rest of their lives. Do I STRONGLY feel this way? Well, no, I think if a woman wants to terminate she should be able to even if the man wants it. I’m just going all out “equal”. But the highly-unlikely-train is coming, and if it is his only chance at a child because he got his balls crushed by a horse then there should be some wiggle room.
Why do I feel this way?
I know 4 people on this forum alone that have had a nightmare of a life because of a one-time encounter or short affair that led to offspring and I know a lot more. I’m part of a group of 2000 in Alberta alone that are going through hell with similar stories as below. It’s heart breaking and nobody listens.
I can talk about 3 of them as they openly share their story.
Man #1 – Found out that he was going to be a father 3 months into a relationship. He was 21 and in school and in no way did he want a child. She was Catholic. The guy couldn’t finish school because of bills, she worked minimum wage and never finished school. They split, she believes only women should raise children and men have no rights (She’s also a raging “feminist”). Her daddy paid for a lawyer and he couldn’t afford one and her daddy bought her a place to live and he can barely afford to live in Calgary. He lives in a basement suite and eats like crap and drinks too much. Hasn’t seen his kid in 5 years. Talks about killing himself and can’t get help because when he finally could afford a lawyer he doesn’t was the courts getting notes on his depression (Which is caused by the courts and the Ex having the option of destroying his life though FAMILY LAW).
Man #2 – Had a brief encounter with a woman. It really didn’t last long. He moved to Alberta and got a job working in the Oil. Life was great for him because he’s making good money. Almost a decade later he gets notified that he’s a Dad. He had no idea. The woman comes after him for child support and back pay. He believes in the “burden” of paying child support so he complies. However, he now knows that he’s a dad! He wants to see his child and get to know it! Unfortunately, she doesn’t feel that way. She also doesn’t feel it’s in the “best interest of the child” to work. Her daddy bought her a house too. So, Man #2 wants to be apart of the child’s life and she doesn’t think that it’s important. He tries to get supports from the courts but they see him as a paycheck too. There is no visitation enforcement. He drank like a fish, and has a lot of trouble staying positive…
Man #3 – This one is gold. Man and woman buy a house. The woman already has a child. 7 years later they split. She’s getting $150.00 a month from the real father. Instead, the boyfriend is stuck paying the main bill. He lost his house and almost everything he had. Not even his responsibility.
So, the social cost is a big factor. If both parties have the option to terminate many of these stories wouldn't exist. Because even if the woman wanted the baby and he didn't he could at least terminate the paper side of the pregnancy. If the soon to be mother finds out that she is all alone she would most likely terminate and have a child when she and another man really want one.
The financial cost for both parties when the lives of both parties aren't being treated equal. This child will not have a balanced life.
In reality do I think that equal abortion laws will happen? Hell no. Do I want them? Yes. What I would settle for? The dismantlement of Divorce Law and a mandatory 50/50 practice. No child support (Award), No Alimony Award as both are responsible and both can pay evenly. Decisions get made together. Watch Divorce Corp.
Anyway, back to the regular forum discussion.
P.S. I could have made this a lot longer…
