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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
You have failed to back up your assertion that he was "being overvalued and selected too high from the start". There doesn't exist any evidence as far as I'm aware that he was "selected too high" so you're making that part up. That is what GranteedEV is saying, what is the basis for you saying he was selected too high? If it is just because of some rankings, that is neither here nor there. The Flames had him ranked top 15 obviously and those are the only rankings that matter when we're picking. The whole idea of fan saying that a team is taking a kid too high is strange, too high based on who? Every team has a very different list and sticks with it. You can evaluate the draft later in hindsight to say who was selected too high but Jankowski hasn't even started his pro career yet so its extremely premature to judge his draft class. Usually takes about 7 years to accurately be able to say with certainty that anybody was selected too high. If you're talking about saying someone was selected too high immediately after the draft happened then you don't really know what you're talking about do you? Unless you've scouted all the players in question you can't have an informed opinion about it at that point. You can say ISS thinks he was taken too high, or CSS thinks he was taken too high, or Bob Mackenzie thinks he was taken too high and that's about all you can say.
Basically what you're saying is that you don't like the pick for whatever reason. But you're insinuating the Flames completely botched it, "took him too high", but he may yet turn out to be one of the top 20 players from the draft, we don't know yet! If he's one of the top 20 players from the draft in 4 years then he obviously wasn't selected too high was he? Thus GranteedEV's comment about arrogance. You've set yourself up as judge and jury and made a ruling about something that hasn't even happened yet and on a topic you are far from an expert!
You have to take a wait and see attitude with prospects and not speak in absolutes unless you yourself have scouted them a lot. And I'm guessing you haven't seen many games of Jankowski's have you? Basically you're saying, "I'm smarter than these scouts who actually go and watch these games even though I'm not even a part-time scout". That is arrogant and an annoying stance to take and too many have taken it in this thread. Enough already.
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There are far more players with his college arc that can't hack it than there are turning into top 20 players in the league. It's beyond confusing that you think it only works one way when you make claims in this thread. Maybe instead of ignoring the fact he is 1 of 3 players taken in the first round that year to not be playing pro hockey (which is and should be a reasonable position for discussion on the matter) you should provide some examples of players like him that have turned into top 20 players?
This thread would be good if there could be actual discussion going on instead of people lecturing others on the merits or validity of commenting a certain way.
Wouldn't any fan be happy to see him succeed? If you have some material that can convince otherwise, let's see it please.