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Originally Posted by AcGold
Some people actually don't take the government at their word, 14 out of 14 commissioners or not I don't care what the commission said. Obviously there was enough circumstancial evidence to cause suspicions to rise, much like there was with JFK.
Jets stood down
White house staff met with members of Al Qaeda one day before 9/11
First steel structure ever to fall from fire, and then the second, and then miraculously a third (note fire being one of the reasons the commission gave)
Passports of terrorists at landing site
Firemen reporting explosions and secondary blasts
Weird behavior from president Bush.
Now this obviously isn't proof of a conspiracy, it's enough coincidence to make one logically contemplate the possibility of less than ethical behavior though.
To just flippantly say you're stupid for not believing the US government... why should we? What exemplary behavior do we have to follow that shows they are that trustworthy and exempt from scrutiny?
Their past president went to war over oil and opium, this one legalized fascism and drone strikes against their own population. I'm not seeing the logical stretch you are to sit and contemplate the possibilities, entertaining an idea without accepting is generally a logical way to go about things. It's just so condescending when there's so many patterns of evidence that logically should raise suspicion or at the least curiosity.
This fire was hot enough to melt steel columns, but the passports managed to land softly and untarnished in a pile of rubble. That's not weird at all, nothing to see, move along.
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You know if you go out and do some research that doesn't involve alex jones and dylon Avery that most of what you talk about has been explained and debated and debunked over and over again.
Jets stood down
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...-myths-planes/
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Claim: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."
FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked—the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.
Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
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White house staff met with members of Al Qaeda one day before 9/11
Please post the white house schedule for me, I believe the meeting was with the Taliban who are not Al Queda, but I'd like to see actual proof of this that doesn't come from a fictional movie like Loose Change or info wars
First steel structure ever to fall from fire, and then the second, and then miraculously a third (note fire being one of the reasons the commission gave)
also the first steel structure to be hit by planes of that size with the fuel load that they carried.
This has been completely ripped apart and most of the theories are here
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
Passports of terrorists at landing site
Lets just engage the whole the terrorists are still alive conspiracy claim. This was debunked a long time ago as there were name confusions happening all over the place
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...s-still-alive/
Also on the passports thing, stuff survives crashes and fires.
http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html
including worms taken up in the shuttle that exploded. this is a big reach.
Firemen reporting explosions and secondary blasts
A lot of that was lies and creative editing and misquotes from the 9/11 Truthers. the Conspiracy theorists are fairly brilliant in ensnaring the rubes through the use of creative editing and manipulation of quotes
http://www.debunking911.com/explosions.htm
Weird behavior from president Bush.
You'll have to be a little clearer on this, but lets see the US had just been attacked in the largest terrorist attack in its history, and in fact an attack that was probably bigger and more brutal in scale then Pearl Harbor? How's he supposed to react?