[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Coincidentally I'm stuck in an airport on my cell phone. From memory I can tell a retired NASA flight researcher has called the flight velocity issue "the elephant in the room". Either it's all made up or those planes did something that has never been done before or since and likely can not possibly do again. Also Boeing has max velocity prescribed for these planes and they were well over a hundred knots faster.

The BBC has several times reported on the living hijackers and has interviewed them on tv before. I believe there is or was a law suit against the government by one of them. But the BBC is that source among several others.

The cell phone issue has been done to death but going from memory the "let's roll" guy's wife said she got calls from his cell phone and the FBI says it was a seat phone. In any and all cases though the official story changed from cell phones in 2002 to seat phones in the Mousassi trial in 2006.

PNAC is published and available for anyone to read. Project Northwoods is declassified and available in the national achieves. Northwoods in particular is an exact blue print for 9/11 and was approved by everyone except Kennedy.

The engine on Church street is probably just available on truther web sites but the fact that it doesn't currently exist as evidence is proven by the fact that it isn't mentioned anywhere in any official documentation. It might be a 767 engine but we will never know.

The FBI tells you 84-85 videos show nothing important. So I guess the FBI is your source for that. The missing frame is likely just on conspiracy web sites but when I watch it I see absolutely no plane and it does look like it's missing something. And personally I don't believe 85 out of 85 tapes missed it.

Cheney's "stand down" order was testified to By Leon Maneta the Transportation Secretary and later confirmed in court by him. It also confirms the order on June 1 2001 giving the VP power over Norad procedures. I think there are videos of his testimony. Not proof but just so convenient.

Brokaw reported on the five dancing Israelis as did several news agencies. There are police reports of the arrest and interviews with the arresting officers. There are interviews with the five guys on Israeli tv. I just wonder why they are never mentioned in official reports.

The insider trading is just a fact. Some of the abnormal trade might be a pile on trade but lots of profits were never claimed and there is a Goldman Sachs connection that I can't remember. The suspicious transactions just before the planes hit was retrieved from mangled discs.

Stratasec-Securecom had two Bush's, Wirt and Marvin, on their boards up to a year before 9-11 and up to 9-11. Believe it or don't, not my concern. But I don't have the source in my head.

The coincidence stuff is easily available. There's so much more than I mentioned too but I suspect no one wants to hear about it.

Three things I don't believe...1) too many people would have to be complacent for this to work. Lots of whisleblowers are screaming their heads off about this including military officers, fbi agents, eye witnesses. Media makes it all possible. 2) Ocim's razor. The most likely scenario in this case is not the official story. 3) People try to make sense out of tragedy by believing in conspiracies. There are dozens of proven conspiracies out there, most of them are pretex for war and many involve the US government. People try to make sense out of factual evidence.

I am wiling to wait for you to post actual links/sources for the large number of allegations/points you addressed in the original post i quoted.

Not that I have reason to doubt you, but I also don't have reason to believe you.