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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
If they made Vader this badass, it could be a problem for Kylo Ren because his character still pales in comparison.
I still think JJ made a mistake in making him an emo kid. Kylo could have been a badass villain, maybe a mature villain who is basically an evil Han Solo - like his dad but without morals.
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I kind of disagree with you on this, and I'll tell you why.
Its a trilogy and the Kylo Ren that we have seen is not the Kylo Ren that we are going to see.
I'm actually ok with the angsty conflicted, foot in both worlds that we see Ren in during TFA. He looks incredibly powerful to the average person, but because he's not all the way in the dark, he's not all that powerful as far as a Force user is. But he will get there, I believe that there will be no redemption for Ren, I believe he will be the end of the Skywalker line, and I believe completely that there will be a confrontation between Luke and Ren, and I strongly believe that Luke will have to die for Rey to ascend.
While there was the scene where we heard Obi Wan proclaim to Rey that she had stepped into a larger world. I believe that when Ren made the decision to kill his father that he stepped into a darker world, that he opened himself up and accepted the Dark Side like never before, but while he had raw power, he still wasn't trained in it.
I would love to see a movie around Vader that happens right after the events of ROTS.
The book Dark Lord is sadly non-canon now but it covered the subject exceptionally. The Vader we meet at the start is not the Vader we meet at the end.
The Vader at the start is conflicted by his choices because for all of the promises made by Palpatine of ultimate power, Vader is left with nothing. His wife was dead along with his child. His true father figure was on the run and he couldn't beat him. His body was battered and bruised.
Sidious even knew that he had to make Anakin face and accept the consequences of his marriage of his fate to the Dark Side at his own peril.
Basically at the start of the book, its not quite Vader, its Anakin in all of his loss, fears and resentments, in a mask and suit. To Anakin the enormous power that he welded before was just beyond his reach.
As the book moves along, Palpatine is convinced that if he can make Anakin face his choices and look at them and understand that power is its own reward at a immense cost, and that for the first time he's truly free and the only companion he needs is the Dark Side of the Force. So he sends Anakin out to do various tasks for him, including tracking down Jedi.
By the end of the book, we see the Vader that we felt he should be, because he's accepted the Dark Side of the Force and accepted that the choices that he made that left him scarred and along were the price he had to pay and the sacrifice that he's had to make to gain the power that he desired.
He also realized that he didn't need to love Sidious or hate Sidious, but that Sidious who had lied to him and bought him to ruin was needed . . . for a time . . . because Sidious was his path to greater power.
Ren is where Anakin was towards the end of that book, but without the training. I think we'll see Ren's face once in the next movie at the start and then he'll except that he is the mask and not the man.