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Old 01-25-2016, 01:01 PM   #607
CliffFletcher
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But there again, this is a patently false position to take. Reducing GHGs is technically and economically feasible right now. What's holding it back? Politics.
Science and investment. Do you really think that whatever replaces oil and gas won't be run by the same moneyed interests? When there's money to be made on alternatives - when they're approaching viability in the market - investment will flood in. And then we'll have Big Solar and Big Geo, or some other bogeymen for the anti-capitalists to vilify.

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Maybe it's just sheer or irrational self-interest. People dependent on oil and gas industries are highly motivated to believe that nothing is a problem and trying to convince people that they should do nothing. But many of these people have children. So that doesn't really explain it.
I'd be happy to see Canada start building nuclear plants all over the place. It's an excellent source of energy. But it won't happen, because of fear-mongering and gaia romanticism.

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It's almost as if its satisfying to be on the wrong side of history: "I'll show those no good people who want to make a better world for future generations and biodiversity of planet earth! Those people are the real problem. Once they learn, hah, then I'll have my comeuppance!"
It's almost as if it's remarkably easy and satisfying for people to signal their support for a moral crusade that vilifies an easy target like Big Oil, so long as they don't have to make any material sacrifices of their own.

There's a catastrophe looming, but I don't have to change. I can still fly to Costa Rica and drink Australian wine and eat oranges year-round. It's those guys who have to change.
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