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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Again, so does the fact an armed robber says if you give me what I want no one gets hurt. You can't treat this as a non violent event when it has already been violent. "Give me what I want or I'll start shooting" isn't self defense. And what's worse, they're stating they're there to start doing "future operations" once they've got enough people on board.
This isn't John Lennon doing a sit in with a gun here. You're being wilfully ignorant in order to stick with your opinion
It would not be perfectly legal. They trespassed and went into a building owned by someone else and said "this is ours now and we'll start shooting if you try to make us leave" . With lots of guns and ammunition. That's very illegal, federal building be damned.
This really seems like a trolling attempt at this point.
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The fact that they are armed is inconsequential. People in Oregon go to Wal-Mart armed. They mow their lawns armed. They go to church armed.
So is the extent of their criminal wrong-doing trespassing?
Squatters have rights, and in this instance what they are doing may not even be illegal.
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It's surprising when it happens. An absent property owner may be completely unaware that someone is living on his property. When a person lives on the property without having permission by the property owner, it's known as "squatting." In some cases, squatters have been known to live in unoccupied houses and buildings for years before being discovered by the owner. In doing so, they establish a form of ownership over the property. While the true property owner can kick the person out, evicting squatters requires him to go through a legal process. In this article, we'll explore squatters, trespassers and the art of evicting them.
Difference Between Squatting And Trespassing
First, it's important to understand that squatting and trespassing aren't necessarily the same. While trespassing is a criminal offense, squatting is technically a civil matter. By definition, squatting may not actually be illegal in your jurisdiction. Plus, removing a squatter requires the property owner to claim possession and prove ownership. That being said, if there are signs of a forced entry (broken windows, locks, etc.), then the squatter is trespassing and the police have the right to remove that person.
When The Law Works Against You
Surprisingly (to the chagrin of thousands of property owners), evicting squatters can take months. In cases where a squatter has lived on a property for years, it can be nearly impossible to evict them. The law requires the property owner to show proof of ownership. While that may seem a simple matter at first, the fact that years have passed without the owner of a home or building realizing the presence of a squatter can make his case less compelling. If a squatter can demonstrate restricted access (for example, locks on the main entry that only the squatter can open), he may be able to prove legal ownership.
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I haven't been following this thing at all really, only what I've read in this thread, I find the whole thing incredibly dull.
However, has it even been shown these guys have broken the law? Has law enforcement attempted to issue a warrant for their arrest? Are they just trespassing in a government building?
I honestly have no idea and assure you I'm not trying to troll.