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I was hoping for something less than 30 years old, I would hope (but sadly don't think) that things had changed in the US.
So the moral is, if you don't want to experience a life and death situation don't bring weapons.
As I alluded to earlier in the thread. If you don't show up to something like this with a tonne of weapons, unless you want it to turn violent. Yes, I believe that a segment of those in the buildings want this to be violent.
Also, to be fair the Philly incident (while unacceptable) wasn't exactly peaceful.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...e-move-bombing
When I see phrases like:
Furthermore if this was there approach to living in the community....
In short, if you come armed for a fight you will generally get a fight. To me those people in Oregon have come armed for a fight. |
Let's get real here for a second. Dudes with afros and guns who have barracaded themselves in a building is not grounds for BLOWING UP said building and the surrounding neighbourhood. Full Stop.
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In 1996, a federal jury ordered the city to pay a $1.5 million civil suit judgement to survivor Ramona Africa and relatives of two people killed in the bombing. The jury had found that the city used excessive force and violated the members' constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure.[19] Philadelphia was given the sobriquet "The City that Bombed Itself."
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Second, those examples are by no means comprehensive. You asked for something more recent, well, in 1992 the FBI stormed the Ruby Ridge militia compound:
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Both the internal 1994 Ruby Ridge Task Force Report and the public 1995 Senate subcommittee report on Ruby Ridge criticized the rules of engagement as unconstitutional. A 1995 GAO report on use of force by federal law enforcement agencies stated: "In October 1995, Treasury and Justice adopted use of deadly force policies to standardize the various policies their component agencies had adopted over the years." The major change was the requirement of a reasonable belief of an "imminent" danger of death or serious physical injury, which brought all federal LEA deadly force policies in line with U.S. Supreme Court rulings (Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 18 (1985) and Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)) that applied to state and local LE agencies.[64]
The surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death suit for $200 million. In an out-of-court settlement in August 1995, the federal government awarded Randy Weaver $100,000 and his three daughters $1 million each. The government did not admit any wrongdoing in the deaths of Sammy and Vicki.[65][66] On the condition of anonymity, a DOJ official told the Washington Post that he believed the Weavers probably would have won the full amount if the case had gone to trial.[67]
FBI director Louis Freeh disciplined or proposed discipline for twelve FBI employees over their handling of the incident and the later prosecution of Randy Weaver and Harris. He described the incident before the U.S. Senate hearing investigation as "synonymous with the exaggerated application of federal law enforcement" and stated "law enforcement overreacted at Ruby Ridge."[68]
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Just like in the Kent State shootings, law enforcement initially argued that they had been fired upon, in the case of kent state, by 'snipers'. As far as I'm aware, in each of the cases I've detailed for you, these claims were later proved false.
As for 'Occupy', millions of dollars has been paid out by the city of New York for lawsuits ranging from violations of freedom of assembly to abuse to journalistic suppression. Most of them are about straight abuse during a peaceful demonstration.
If you've been marginalized by the system in the US and want to take action outside of that system, you're gonna have a bad time.