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Yeah CC, obviously all of what you say makes plenty of sense. I don't know anything about Plagueis outside of the Sith conversation and anything brough up here. I just think that:
A) The Sith weren't always with the rule of two. As you said, it was chaos before they brought it in, so there was obviously a time before it. Just because it's canon, doesn't mean the Sith themselves can't make a change to their own dogma.
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Its not dogma as much as the nature of the dark side of the force and the character of the Sith. They all chase power and view others on the same path as rivals and not um team mates.
The one time they tried it after the collapse of the Sith Empire and the golden age of the sith was in Banes time, and right on the verge of victory the Sith turned on each other to gain ultimate ruling power and the Sith ended up destroying themselves except for one Sith Lord who was Bane.
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B) The Jedi have, at least, had rumours of attitude changes. Possibly allowing romantic relationships, the Force Ghost was a new technique developed by Qui Gon (right?), using feelings as a means of maintaining self-control rather than forcing their souls to fight them.
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Suppossedly it was Qui-gon who discovered the secret of becoming one with the force. He then taught Yoda and Obi-wan from beyond. Yoda theorized that the lack of attachment lead to the downfall of the Jedi, he did that during the fight with Sidious, and lead Luke and Leia to being placed with loving families and not trained in the force until the force decided it was time. If Yoda had followed doctrine, Luke and Leia would have probably ended up being raised and trained from birth by Yoda, with help from Ben.
But we don't know if it got far as apparently Luke set up a Jedi Academy which makes me wonder if he went back to the traditional method of raising Jedi younglings and training them early and without their family attachments.
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It just seems to me that you are caught up in what's canon like that means they can't use the story to make interesting changes. If we just said "well it's canon so it stays that way" nothing would ever change.
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Perhaps, except that the current canon as much as we hated the prequels when it came to the Sith and the prophesy and the manipulation and power of Palpatine makes sense and that's my biggest objection to bringing Plageuis back, because it makes Palpatine look like a weiner. It also reduces the impact of Anakins seduction and fall, and the final actions of Vader when he destroyed the Sith.
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It'd be like if the Prequels were the first movies, and people were all like 'No way Anakin could be a bad guy, he is supposed to bring balance! It's canon!" and then people being mad for him changing. Well, if you interpret the prophecy one way it still makes sense. It's all up to interpretation, and I'm just trying to look at things with a different view to see how they could be otherwise interpreted. The Dark Force Ghost thing, for example, you say that they can't become Ghosts in canon, well who says someone super powerful can't break that rule somehow? Ghosts weren't a Jedi thing either until their very last days.So they say it's not Plagueis, so what? Maybe it's not. Maybe Snoke somehow absorbed Plageuis' power, maybe Plageuis is using him as a host somehow, maybe he has nothing to do with it.
My point is that it's fantasy, and the Force is, quite literally, magic, and thus can be used to explain almost anything. Don't let what happened before limit the possibilities going forward. The only reason we fear these things is because of the midichlorins. It was a stupid idea, and I don't think anyone at Lucasfilm had the balls to tell that to George.
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You're right the force is magic and the new writers are free to interpret the power of the Force and the Sith and Darkside and the Jedi and light side any way that they want. But if you go too far against what's been established in Canon and even without Canon you end up with Midiclorians which you'll notice I haven't talked about once.