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Old 12-28-2015, 11:06 PM   #654
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After reading more about the movie there are a lot of hidden plot points throughout. The flashbacks and premonitions give away quite a bit and have references to both of the old trilogies. The First Order seems to be a front for the Knights of Ren, the group that hunted down the Jedi, drove Luke into hiding (much like Ben Kenobi). There really are a lot of similarities to the old movies which makes me wonder if they'll pull off a Dark Knight or a Spiderman 2. The series could go either way, setting up a villainous group so similar to the previous trilogies will make for interesting storytelling. The Knights of Ren hopefully is something more imaginative than the Sith.
The first order is really there to serve the Dark Side, they don't seem to have much of a political goal in terms of taking back the galaxy. They seem to be in place to create chaos and gain revenge for the fallen empire. If anything they emerged from the fallen Empire as the worst elements of it. I think that we'll find out between now and the next movie that there is major infighting between the Empire and its more radical elements. Again the interview where Abrams says the idea for the first order came from the idea of the hardcore nazi's fleeing into hiding in Argentina and emerging years later stronger and more ideologically pure.

To me, the first order is a weapon to further Snoke's goals of destroying the Jedi once and for all and leaving the Galaxy at the whim of the Dark Side.

Whereas you would expect the Empire at the end of ROTJ to consolidate its holdings and try to retake territory from the Republic, it sounds like the Empire collapsed and signed a peace treaty with the Republic which limited them in terms of arms and territory, the First Order would have seen that as their treaty of Versaille and would emerge with a goal of revenge for being stabbed in the back.
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