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Old 12-11-2015, 05:51 AM   #166
Jay Random
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blatantly false. There are many pacifist cultures throughout history.
Name three. Once you have named them, show how they were able to maintain themselves without the protection of cultures that were not pacifist. Hint: You can't.

Then name a culture in which there was no such thing as murder or physical assault. Just one. Hint: See hint above.

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The entire human race does not predicate itself upon violence.
George Orwell on Kipling: ‘He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them.’ Note the word guard. That is to say, you are only able to live a civilized life because soldiers, policemen, and other professionals are willing to commit violence in your defence. Your existence is predicated upon their violence.

You are, of course, free to lie to yourself by denying that they exist, or that you are dependent upon them, or that their violence is necessary. But this, too, is predicated upon the protection that they give you.

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And I entirely disagree that fighting is in human nature,
You are, of course, wrong. There are substantial sections of the human brain that are wired specifically for the purpose. That's to say nothing of endocrine and other physiological responses that are solely useful in either initiating or responding to violence.

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maybe it's in yours,
Cheap attempt at ad hominem (abusive) fallacy duly noted.

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but don't speak for everyone else. If you think you're entitled to tell us what human nature is please go stand over there.
I'm a professional student of human nature, and part of my profession involves the deep and searching study of human history and human psychology. What more do I have to be before I can tell you what human nature is?
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