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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I believe I understand you - you are saying that the structure of the argument is similar. However, in my view, the stakes are completely different, so when you put the two discussions in context there is a massive chasm in what conclusions are drawn.
That is, the argument on guns you've identified is, some guns are used to kill people, so none should be allowed. However, one could at least argue that all guns are inherently dangerous, so the analogy fails here. Further, what's at stake (basic human rights vs missing out on the ability to shoot a gun recreationally or delude oneself into thinking one is providing some sort of check on authoritarianism, lolol), there's no comparison. So that's why I think your analogy fundamentally fails.
That being said, I'm not sure it's a crucial analogy to make or that you can't make what I take to be your underlying point about "all or nothing" viewpoints among both liberals and conservatives without it...
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I don't think we should change direction towards the gun control logic, but you can't dismiss that NRA's philosophy is rooted in the historic right to defend yourself against abuses of armed power, which, to many in USA, is a fundamental human right. This is why I suggest that the rights argument is not relevant to the analogy proposed. Again, it's the extremity of the application that makes both arguments weak.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
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That being said, I'm not sure it's a crucial analogy to make or that you can't make what I take to be your underlying point about "all or nothing" viewpoints among both liberals and conservatives without it...
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Corsi, I don't mind arguing about liberal or conservative point of views for as long as they remain civil and the discussion remains interesting. There are usually good views and arguments on both sides, actually. You said somewhere that your views are more liberal but you express them normally in a rational manner and you at least consider the opposing argument. Another example: Slava's posts are the same - respectful and thoughtful. On the conservative side: Frequitude's arguments are always well-presented and open for discussion. "All or nothing" viewpoints are on the extreme ends of either side. But I am repeating myself...